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If Iran begins to sell oil for euros instead of the global-standard dollar, our economy will take a big hit and we will fall into a deep recession. Iran has found a way to hit the U.S. where it hurts the most: in the pocket. That is Iran's real threat.
We forged a deal with the House of Saud back in the early 1970s to ensure that the dollar was the only currency used to sell oil by OPEC and thus creating the oil standard since our gold standard for currency had been challenged. Iran is not attempting to screw with our global-reaching financial empire and Bush and the other corporations don't like it.
I think it has more to do with what most that voted for Bush say about him. "He is hardly a Republican by any measuring stick. However he did finally do something about the problem with Islam." So Bush feels he has only 3 years to "fix" Iran. He knows if he doesnt no one else will. Remember the reaction to a few cartoons? Yeah lets start another preemptive war against Islam and lets watch them drop to their knees and praise the open peace loving democracy of America.
Could that be because you're not going to be the one going over there to die?
As a member of the military, I want to make sure that if I'm going to give my life it will be for a good reason and not just to keep the corporate economy of this country in a healthy state. I have beliefs and ideals and money doesn't factor into them.
If we cannot sustain our economy without going to war then we do not deserve to be where we are right now. We could all help by doing little things like taking public transportation, using less oil by cutting down on power usage (something as simple as "cool" lightbulbs or taking a shower with water a bit colder), and by caring about what we spend our money on.
I don't believe in going to war to prevent a country from selling their oil in whatever currency they see fit.
Hey silver look at bigsadog's sig and headline. Remember most military in Iraq still think they're over there because of 9/11 even though Bush doesnt claim that anymore.
Most active soldiers dont care what they are there for, they just want to "get some".
By "get some" i mean action, ie : a kill, multiple kills, etc..
Why else would a soldier fight? to kill! So in response I do agree that some think they are there for 9/11, but others just dont care, and want to kill anything they can.
Some what? Iranians havent done anything. They elected a nutty leader who hasn't started a preemptive illegal war. So they have done less nutty stuff than the U.S.
Nick, you're right. I guess bigdog is in the army, as stated in his location. And you're also right in that some people's mentality is just to go to war and shoot and kill people.
I, on the other hand, would rather leave war as a last alternative. Even though it would be a war to perserve our way of life because if Iran does change over to the euro as a currency for purchasing oil, we are going to be in a world of hurt financially. It will make the great depression look like a child's tale.
Thank you silverdevil for posting the real reason why the US will go to war with Iran. I have posted this reason months back and nobody really cared or understood it. There are no nuclear weapons in Iran, but the Bush administration is using that excuse to foo the American public. What better way to gain support than to scare your citizens into believe Iran is going to bomb the US.
A side not, I believe Iran has every right to trade oil in Euros. There are a sovereign country just like the United States of America. Sure it will suck for your economy and even up here Canada, but they have a right to do that.
Another side note, the US dollar isn't backed up by anything, like gold. If you guys need more money, the press' just run off some more. Buy gold and silver now while you can because once your dollar falls you'll have something to survive with.
well thats the gamble we took. We got off the gold standard and made some poor moves. It made us a super power. Rome, Greece, Egypt, England, The Mayans, The Aztecs, The U.S.S.R. and Nazi Germany(short but mighty) all came down why would we be any different. At least we will come down as a result of instant inflation. Not invasion, or disease.
As far as an attack goes most of our generals are against the civilian leadership from what I am hearing so at least we have some leaders that are not retarded. This will be a long 3 years and who knows what will follow.
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Another side note, the US dollar isn't backed up by anything, like gold. If you guys need more money, the press' just run off some more. Buy gold and silver now while you can because once your dollar falls you'll have something to survive with.
Why not buy Euros? Euros would shoot up in value if Iran switched. Euros are paper. You can bust out a pocket full of euros and use a calculator for conversions. Just like every tourist town around this side of the prime meridian does with the US dollar. Gold is a great measure of value but there is a reason why we dont run around paying 2 pinches for a lap dance. It is heavy, purity questions, weight.
Did anyone notice the tid bit/attack on Seymour Hersh on ABC's world news tonight? http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1832440 (its at the 2:00 point) Saying he takes a 100k tax deduction for donating the facade of his house to a historical society. It was interesting because more than likely this thread was started in response to his article in the New Yorker. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten.../060417fa_fact It sure is interesting how this guy discredited the administration and all of a sudden his tax info is on the news less than a week later. Kinda fishy how this guys name floated to the top. I mean honestly why use Seymour? There must be a bigger celeb who uses this tax credit. The only reason I caught it is because I am a news tweak and recognized the name from the past week. Maybe 5% of the viewers caught that.
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We could all help by doing little things like taking public transportation, using less oil by cutting down on power usage (something as simple as "cool" lightbulbs or taking a shower with water a bit colder)
If you believe that will significantly help the oil problem, you are smoking something reeeeeally good. The US is 110% addicted to oil. And it will only get worse.
As far as the reason for going to war, sure, people keep harping about how switching the dollar to euro standard will blah blah blah.
If this was true, and if Iran's leadership was shrewd (and you don't get into positions of leadership anywhere without being shrewd) then they would halt their nuclear programs, so that the US has no reason to invade, right? Do you think it's a complete coincedence that the US is wanting to invade right at the time when Iran is feverishly trying to get nuclear weapons and saying crazy things like "Israel needs to be wiped off the map"?!?
This makes a great excuse for the US to invade. I think it's just a LITTLE too convienient to blame the whole thing on euros and oil instead of nuclear weapons. If Iran stopped the rhetoric and nuclear stuff, would the US not invade? Of course the US wouldn't invade. But we'll never know.....
If you believe that will significantly help the oil problem, you are smoking something reeeeeally good. The US is 110% addicted to oil. And it will only get worse.
As far as the reason for going to war, sure, people keep harping about how switching the dollar to euro standard will blah blah blah.
If this was true, and if Iran's leadership was shrewd (and you don't get into positions of leadership anywhere without being shrewd) then they would halt their nuclear programs, so that the US has no reason to invade, right? Do you think it's a complete coincedence that the US is wanting to invade right at the time when Iran is feverishly trying to get nuclear weapons and saying crazy things like "Israel needs to be wiped off the map"?!?
This makes a great excuse for the US to invade. I think it's just a LITTLE too convienient to blame the whole thing on euros and oil instead of nuclear weapons. If Iran stopped the rhetoric and nuclear stuff, would the US not invade? Of course the US wouldn't invade. But we'll never know.....
Iran is shrewd. When would be a better time to provoke the U.S. into a battle than right now when we are stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan?
The Iranian president knows full well that we are in dire straights economically and would love nothing more than to lure the U.S. into a costly war that will do nothing if not bankrupt us. Hell, Congress had to vote to extend our debt limit a few weeks ago and a new digit had to be added to the debt clock to keep that going. And, if we see ourselves in a bad financial position, then we might not even bother "invading" Iran and they get to do whatever they want to do. Europe won't intervene because they know that changing to the Euro benefits them (except for Britain, of course).
We cannot fight a three-front war and Iran knows this full well. They are also being backed by Russia and China who would love to see nothing more than for the U.S. to fall as a world power.
The best thing to do is to just let them do whatever they want. If the president of Iran would've said that Uzbekistan needs to be wipped of the map nobody would care. Why should we care about Israel?
