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Description: "This is the best damn 9-11 documentary out there." -Dave vonKleist, Producer of "911:In Plane Site" Loose Change is an extremely hard hitting, heavily referenced documentary. It has the best footage that I have seen to date, of all the bombs and explosions going off at the World Trade Center. He covers each individual aspect of 9/11 in keen detail, and after watching 'Loose Change' it is almost impossible to walk away and not believe that 9/11 was engineered, not by Osama, but by our own Government. Heres a quote from Tom Flocco regarding Dylan Avery's brand new 911 documentary; "...The best packaged DVD footage for sharing actual TV coverage & interviews shown only once during WTC / Pentagon attacks--evidence strangely removed from repeat broadcasts ...striking visual and narrative analysis--shown frame by frame--pointing to government-linked mass murder and a new Pearl Harbor ...every school class should see ! "Loose Change 2nd Edition" is the follow-up to the most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today. This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government. Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most important, Americans who suffered through that tragic day. IT IS THE DUTY OF EVERY AMERICAN TO VIEW THIS FILM!
IMO it is the best Doc about 911 and I am not sure if this was posted yet, but I thought I would share it with everyone in case they haven't seen it yet.
As far as I see it, there seems to be alot of questions and not alot of answers, just being open minded. Open minded = no ignorance. BTW I am Canadian, so I don't need a tin hat, just a case of beer and hockey game.
With videos like that, it intentionally puts out a whole lot of questions and states a whole lot of facts without much evidence.
Sure it SAYS something, but do you really believe everything you see or read? Propaganda is everywhere. This stuff makes commie Michael Moore's look like nothing....
Amazing video that should be played on American television, however it will never happen unfortuneately. Without taking any political sides it does raise alot of questions that people are afraid to acknowledge.
Just recently Charlie Sheen was in the news asking some of these very questions. However the focus from opposition parties was turned onto his past "adventures".
Its amazing how open-minded Canadians and the rest of the world are with this topic. Theres just too many unexplained happenings that leadup and occured to this event.
What are the odds **** Cheney just happened to have an exercise drill for planes colliding into tall buildings that day at NORAD? When 9/11 happened, NORAD could not determine which planes in the sky were actually hijacked and which ones where in the drill.
I also still find it very hard to believe a "fireball" travelled all the way the elevator shaft - 80 stores - and still had devestating force to destroy the entire mail level of the building, considering American-educated and certified engineers have stated it was not possible.
What strikes me most odd is that people like ZapThyCat are so adimit about the "official" story that when someone tries to bring up legit questions they are very quick to try to dismiss it. What are you so afraid of by asking questions? The truth coming out, whether it be the "official" story or the one made up by "conspiracy theories".
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I watched that vid today. Jeez. I love those conspiracy theories, some people are just warped.....or just stoned emo college kids.
Often time conspiracy theories comes from fact. Have you not heard of "Operation Northwoods". It was an "American justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba".
In otherwords, it was a plan drafted by your government to create a 9/11 type event and blame it on Cuba justifying your governments right to invade Cuba.
Google "operation northwoods" and you'll get the actual government documents that prove this. I have nothing to gain nor am I making this crazy "theory" up - your government did.
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Fact is, Xian, that there are plenty of these videos out there. They make allegations that can hardly be proven as legitimate.
However, you know me, I'm "adimit" about the official story, you know.
Apart from the baseless allegations of crackpots like Xian, I don't dismiss or believe stuff like this automatically. Some of the people that bring these "facts" to light are the same ones that want to bring "to light" the "facts" about the holocaust and how it didn't actually go down.
A lot of people come out with random and funky comments and stories that there is no base for. I am supposed to blindly believe this video? It could be communist propaganda for all I know.
At the end of the day, I take any of these "truths" with a grain of salt. Trust the Bush administration? Yeah right. Trust the communists like Michael Moore? Yeah right. What I believe may not be mainstream, but it's certainly not some sort of socialist propaganda.
Much of the rest of the world likes socialist propaganda, because they are socialist (sadly enough).
First off, ZapThyCat if I am a "crackpot" because I question the "official" story does that make you a "sheep" for believing everything at face value without questioning "facts"?
Secondly, what the hell does the holocaust have to do with this tape? I don't understand your rational here. There was no mention about the holocaust, Isreal or the Jewish community in this video, so why bring it up? Don't even try to bring up some anti-sementic crap in this thread. Stay focused on this tape please.
This video just brings up facts admitted by the Bush government whether by releasing official documents or by speaches. Everything was "on the record" and not made up. Even "Operation Northwoods" is an official government operation that almost happened in 1962. Why don't you acknowledge this bit of information? Are you afraid or ashamed of your country's past? Government documents like this give millions of people around the world to question the "official" 9/11 story because there are so many holes in it.
If your government almost staged a fake terrrorism act in 1962 against Cuba, whos to say what happened on that day wasn't staged? I'm not saying it was staged or not, but Northwoods definetely gives reason to raise questions.
One piece of information that I find most troubling is why the Pentagon only has ever release 5 frames of the plane hitting the building and none of them have a plane in it! Why not release frames of the plane before hitting the building? PLEASE answer that question if you're going to reply to anything. What are you afraid of showing? It wasn't a plane???
Although 3000 people have lost their live on that tragic day, millions of innocent have perished at the hands of your country of the past 30 - 40 years due to bombing runs. What about them? Why are they forgotten? That is a truth you can not deny or hide from.
What do you believe? I'm curious to know. Btw, have you even seen the video in question?
everything at face value without questioning "facts"?
Who said I don't question facts? I do, I just don't believe every little conspiracy theory out there. There are a whole lot of them, you know. I need something more substancial than claims to believe something 100%
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Secondly, what the hell does the holocaust have to do with this tape? Stay focused on this tape please.
The sad fact is that many people that make some of these conspiracy theories oftentimes can be found to also deny the holocaust, and be anti-semetic. It's simply a warning sign that you are dealing with a communist/america-hater/crackpot/terrorist/whatever else. Oftentimes you just need to follow the links. Sometimes it's not the case of course.
I will often times look around and investigate what someone believes apart from the relevant issue, if I find that they are anti-semetic, then I know to discount virtually anything they say. It's pure propaganda and lies.
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Originally Posted by xian
This video just brings up facts admitted by the Bush government whether by releasing official documents or by speaches. Everything was "on the record" and not made up. Even "Operation Northwoods" is an official government operation that almost happened in 1962. Why don't you acknowledge this bit of information? Are you afraid or ashamed of your country's past? Government documents like this give millions of people around the world to question the "official" 9/11 story because there are so many holes in it.
Caught you in a lie. Bush administration NEVER talked about "at 10:30 a plane landed in cleveland and taxi'd the runway for 30 minutes..." or that crap. That's what was discussed in the video.
Sure, the video and "proofs" give people a chance to question what happened, but I don't know of any proofs about the whole aircraft landing in cleveland thing. I don't know that that is true, and I don't believe it just because the video says so. That doesn't mean I DON'T believe it, but my mind is unmade-up on the matter. Is that okay with you?
As far as "Operation Northwoods", I don't give a flying flip about it. If it's true, fine. If not, then fine. I really don't care. Why do you? Oh yes, of course, because you hate America and love to discredit it.
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Why not release frames of the plane before hitting the building? PLEASE answer that question if you're going to reply to anything.
Do I care what they do? Why do I care what they release? In answer to your question, I DON'T KNOW. The government does a whole lot of things that we don't know why they do it.
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millions of innocent have perished at the hands of your country of the past 30 - 40 years due to bombing runs. That is a truth you can not deny or hide from.
I can't deny it? Really? Fact is that bombing runs haven't killed millions of people in the past 40 years. Let me see, Vietnam, yeah, that was a war, and I don't know how many north vietnamese died, but I don't THINK it was over 2 million. Certainly not in bombing runs. 1st Iraq war, considerably less than 100,000 died. 2nd iraq war, around 30k? what else is there, granada? bombing of libya? Sorry... doesn't work. especially if you count out vietnam, in which the numbers are about as fuzzy as can be.
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Originally Posted by xian
What do you believe? I'm curious to know. Btw, have you even seen the video in question?
What do I believe? I believe that you should question everything... including this video. I've seen enough of it to know that YES, there are inconsistancies. And I know enough about life to know that EVERYONE HAS AN AGENDA, both the government and the makers of the film. There are counter-truths to each, and inconsistancies to each. Which do I believe? Well, I'm lucky that I don't have to believe either fully, or even make up my mind.
And I don't have to be pigeonholed into either camp, thank you very much.
"Caught you in a lie. Bush administration NEVER talked about "at 10:30 a plane landed in cleveland and taxi'd the runway for 30 minutes..." or that crap. That's what was discussed in the video."
Do you honestly think the Bush Gov't would talk about a flight that they were trying to hide? Of course they wouldn't because they would be caught red handed if this was indeed an elaborate cover up.
i just watched this freaking film... and it's some pretty scary stuff..
first off, please check out the website, it flat out ask you to investigate all the information that they tell you and NOT to talk everything they say as fact. which makes sense since the producers are telling you not to take what the government says as fact.
What Zap is saying about the Producers having motives is true.. i'm sure they are a bunch of screwballs who believe the government is hangin outside their houses. But they clearly state all their sources and information in a style that very easily lets you make your own conclusion.
And before anyone calls me a crackpot or screw ball. I am a civil engineer, and even on 9/11/01 I knew that heat could not take out those buildings. I never really questioned it, or looked into it, i just thought is was odd. It's funny that those three buildings are the first three steel structures to ever burn down.
