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Old 02-23-2006   #46 (permalink)
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they have had truces. Israel has broken truces. What does Israel have to do with Dubai. So they dont recognize Israel. It doesnt make them evil.
re-read what you posted about 100 times. then go to Dubai and tell them your from Israel. leave a will giving me all your stuff
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Is Dubai itself going to be running these ports... or is it a privately owned business that is going to be running it?
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When did Israel break any truces? Israel is the only one that HONORS truces. It's the PLO and arabs that break the truces. It's the arabs that attack. Israel defends.

You need to read some books, check out your history, go see the truth. And the truth is that Hamas hates YOU AND ISRAEL. Their goal is to drive the Jews into the sea. And if they could chop your head off, they would.

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When did Israel break any truces? Israel is the only one that HONORS truces. It's the PLO and arabs that break the truces. It's the arabs that attack. Israel defends.

You need to read some books, check out your history, go see the truth. And the truth is that Hamas hates YOU AND ISRAEL. Their goal is to drive the Jews into the sea. And if they could chop your head off, they would.

You should really consider revising your thoughts.. using the word Arabs is too general and could be construed as racist... as it is a nationallity and not a group of people nor is it a country.
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In all honesty, it's the truth though.

True that not every arab hates israel, but only arabs have attacked israel. PLO, Egypt, Jordan, Syria... they are Arabs. And they are the ones that have attacked Israel. No one else has. I'm not racist against arabs... but lets be honest, they are the aggressors here.


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You should really consider revising your thoughts.. using the word Arabs is too general and could be construed as racist... as it is a nationallity and not a group of people nor is it a country.
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IMO, anybody that thinks that Israel needs to be wiped off the map is a terrorist, whether here or there.

Anyone that thinks that Hamas is "freedom fighters" supports terrorism in it's purest form.

Anyone that claims the holocaust never happens doesn't have a place on this planet. Just my opinion.
I can't agree with these statements.

1. Thinking that Israel should be wiped off the map does not automatically make you a terrorist. Look up the definition of the word terrorist and you will understand. Terrorism is the systematic use of terror as a means for coercion. People who want to wipe Israel off the map are no more a terrorist than those who said (and still say) that we should turn Iraq into a parking lot. There is no difference.

2. Again you use the word terrorism erroneously. Who a freedom fighter and who a terrorist is depends solely on what side of the issue you stand. A freedom fighter, by definition, is one who fights against an oppressive government. If you consider Israel an oppressive government then they are, in fact, freedom fighters.

3. The Holocaust is a matter of historic fact but that doesn't mean people can't dispute it in certain ways. Remember, just because we believe something (at least I can only believe it since I didn't witness it) doesn't make it true. We should be tolerant of other people's opinions. To say they don't deserve a place on this planet is a bit harsh, don't you think?
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1. when people say wipe off Israel, they don't mean the land. cause its holy land for the big 3 religions. they mean the PEOPLE of Israel. basically all jews in existance. get it right.
2. if you deny the holocaust, then you are labeled as such and are screwed. to deny it happened, or even defend it is wrong. i REFUSE to be tolerant of other peoples opinions when their opinion includes the GENOCIDE of my heritage. I REFUSE. period. what does that mean? it means if a random neo nazi was protesting in the street, i would kick his ass. if it was a group, i would get a group. get it?
3. it is not harsh. people like that DON'T deserve to be on this planet.
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1. when people say wipe off Israel, they don't mean the land. cause its holy land for the big 3 religions. they mean the PEOPLE of Israel. basically all jews in existance. get it right.
2. if you deny the holocaust, then you are labeled as such and are screwed. to deny it happened, or even defend it is wrong. i REFUSE to be tolerant of other peoples opinions when their opinion includes the GENOCIDE of my heritage. I REFUSE. period. what does that mean? it means if a random neo nazi was protesting in the street, i would kick his ass. if it was a group, i would get a group. get it?
3. it is not harsh. people like that DON'T deserve to be on this planet.
Real open-minded, aren't you?

I know they mean the people of Israel and not the land itself. I never claimed they meant the land. When I compared these people to those that want to turn Iraq into a parking lot I did so because both are being racist. There is no difference between someone who is racist against a Jew and one who is racist against an Arab.
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agreed. but there is a difference in motive to hate. hate is the same all around. the reasons are all different
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UAE has oil, Dubya wants Oil ...A+B=C
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2. Again you use the word terrorism erroneously. Who a freedom fighter and who a terrorist is depends solely on what side of the issue you stand. A freedom fighter, by definition, is one who fights against an oppressive government. If you consider Israel an oppressive government then they are, in fact, freedom fighters.

3. The Holocaust is a matter of historic fact but that doesn't mean people can't dispute it in certain ways. Remember, just because we believe something (at least I can only believe it since I didn't witness it) doesn't make it true. We should be tolerant of other people's opinions. To say they don't deserve a place on this planet is a bit harsh, don't you think?
more lawyerisms.

So all I have to do is call a government "oppressive" and that means I can commit all the crimes I want? I'm not buying it.

As oppressive governments go, Israel is one of the most tolerant there is. They don't HAVE to be, they could go the hardline approach and bulldoze that ugly "Dome of the Rock" Mosque down so they can build their temple that was there first. But they don't. They continue on without their temple, surrounded by enemies, with millions of arabs within their borders that love Israel and think "pretty cool that I have a nice condo with A/C and an Audi in my driveway, and the only price I have to pay is work in my office job and be tolerant of Jews". It's the arabs in the west bank that are the terrorists. "We don't have anything but a dirt hut, boo hoo, and it's all Israel's fault, we need to kill every Jew, drive them back into the sea, and BTW thanks Iran and Syria for the weapons". Israel is anything BUT oppressive. For goodness sakes, they shoot rubber bullets when the SHTF, when people are throwing rocks at them. They even allowed the psychopath warmonger Arafat to continue existing.

Therefore, I would dispute anyone that says that Israel is opporessive. I would say that they are saying that as an excuse to practice genocide against the Jewish race.

Denying the holocaust entirely isn't a crime, it is an indicator that you are an extreme reactionary psychopath... you deny the facts simply because you want to kill the jews, again, and you don't want the jews to receive any compassion or sympathy. To say they don't deserve a place on this planet.... well, I don't feel anyone that desires genocide belongs here.

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yea Israel could have commited genocide with the palestinians. but they haven't. and they won't cause its wrong
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Absolutely right! +1
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OK so anyways. Israel is awesome. UAE is going to take over our ports tell us why its bad other than racism.
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OK so anyways. Israel is awesome. UAE is going to take over our ports tell us why its bad other than racism.
look man. we are talkin more than racism ok? you think these conservative, and yes Islamic people are in fact VERY conservative. i speak from personal experience. anyway, these conservative, people will be ok with all the crap they see here in america? yea, no. won't happen. it will be a culture shock at the least. and if you really want to get serious, any terrorist group can get a clean guy in the company to work his way into the ports. i mean the plane hijacking was shitloads harder than what im talkin about.
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