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Yeah, it's illegal. Come on, we all knew that. If the law prohibits your performance of duty then you change the law, not go around it.
I call for impeachment. It's definitely worse than lying about screwing an intern.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
Bush's family is known for digging around for loopholes.
"The nation's largest organization of lawyers adopted a policy opposing any future government use of electronic surveillance in the United States for foreign intelligence purposes without first obtaining warrants from a special court set up under the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act."
So.... a slap on the wrist, dont do it again.....
Thats all bush hears for what he does imo, he should be impeached and more.
__________________ "Unless someone like you cares a whole lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."
-Dr. Seuss, the lorax
Give me a break. Everyone digs around for loopholes.
Bush is using the same arguement that Gavin Newsome (Mayor, SF) made when he may gay marriage legal, illegally.
They both used a broad document to assert their powers. Gavin said that banning gay marriage was discrimination, so he said that his powers of mayor made it legal for him to do so.
Yet we have the same people that applaude Gavin calling for Bush's impeachment. It's all partisian politics of course.
This country will never get any better, only worse than it is, when we keep playing these stupid games. The only difference is that the moderate people that should be running government are being alienated... even liberal people are being alienated, because of the ultra-liberal nutjobs that seem to have hijacked the Democrat party.
Give me a break. Everyone digs around for loopholes.
Bush is using the same arguement that Gavin Newsome (Mayor, SF) made when he may gay marriage legal, illegally.
They both used a broad document to assert their powers. Gavin said that banning gay marriage was discrimination, so he said that his powers of mayor made it legal for him to do so.
Yet we have the same people that applaude Gavin calling for Bush's impeachment. It's all partisian politics of course.
This country will never get any better, only worse than it is, when we keep playing these stupid games. The only difference is that the moderate people that should be running government are being alienated... even liberal people are being alienated, because of the ultra-liberal nutjobs that seem to have hijacked the Democrat party.
We need someone like Leiberman to run :-/
The difference between Newsome and Bush is that Bush actually broke his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. He didn't find a loophole, he knowingly broke the law.
Not only that, he is hell-bent on doing what he wants and eliminating those who have different opinions (as proven with the Valerie Plame incident where Scooter Libby has testified under oath that he was ordered to leak that information by his superiors. That is plural and he only has two superiors: Cheney and Bush.). Maybe I follow these stories closer because I live inside the Beltway, who knows, but the point is that if he thought he needed to data mine to protect the people he should've made sure the law allowed for it or passed a law that would.
Nobody is above the law, not even the President.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
I don't think Nixon is quite the big bad guy that everyone seems to think he is. But that's just me.
I bought nothing. I'm just sick of everyone hating Bush and trumping up these charges against him... if it was Clinton, they would have forgotten about it, but since it's Bush and they hate him, they push as hard as they can. I'm sick of the GOP guys that hated on Clinton for being a cheater but then espousing Bob Dole who was a cheater. Partisian Politics.
Why do I hate this? Because there's red people and blue people, and no body cares if something is right or wrong, they simply toe their party line. Just like you, Nick. Same with you, Silverdevil. You follow what your party tells you and cannot think for yourselves.
Me, though, I think for myself. I hate the reds and the blues squaring off, like two boxers in a ring fighting for THEIR way while the nation is sucked down the drain. Reds and Blues fight for or against abortion, for or against guns, for or against the military, for or against social security... and the whole while, the nation is mired in crap. No reform takes place. Bush has a decent idea to help reform something, everyone stands against him just because he's Bush. Schwarzenegger has some great ideas to reform the state, he gets shot down just because he's GOP. Bush has a horrible idea that will hurt, and the whole GOP aligns with him. Clinton had some good ideas, the GOP shot him down because he was a Dem. No reform takes place. You all just want reasons to impeach Bush because you hate him, and EVERYTHING he does is a horrible idea.
For crying out loud, something stupid happens like a hunting accident, and some idiots call for Cheney's resignation.
No one cares about reforming the broken system that our country uses. They only care about power and the power of their party. Selfishness.
The funny thing is that the US could do a whole lot of good in this earth if it had a better system, and the people were united by a common will to do good. With all our resources, we really could stop wars, feed hungry, house the homeless and so forth... but we refuse because of internal bickering.
The worst part is that there is not even a result to the bickering. It's just there, constantly. Nobody refuses to recognize good or decry evil, they simply toe their party line.
Thanks for lumping me in there. I voted yes for every one of Arnolds propositions. I work for the state. So Not only would voting yes go against my union but also against what you think my party is. I am a Republican. I hate just about everything Dems say. However there are a few things we happen to agree on that have less to do with anything they say than how I was raised. I am also a normal human that understands I will say anything you want me to if you kick me until I say what you want me to say (torture). I understand that the people who dont kill because of the death penalty are smart enough not to kill people. So the death penalty is simply a state sanctioned murder. Bush getting us in to Iraq is one of the biggest F ups ever. This could end up worse than ww1 when all is said and done. I hate Bush. Powell left the administration disgraced. That says a lot.
__________________ "Great male inventors: Henry Ford - Assembly line construction"
"Great female inventors: Janice Smith - Camel Toe"
Nick, I got lumped into that as well. I don't agree with either party. I do have a libertarian stance on many issues, but I think on issues individually.
Had Clinton, or any other politician for that matter, done the same thing as Bush I'd be calling for them to be impeached as well. To me, there is no measure of security worth giving up my freedom and my rights for.
Benjamin Franklin (or Thomas Jefferson, depending on whom you ask) was dead on when he said, "Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
I believe in free markets an allowing them to self regulate (meaning I'm against government regulation of Capitalism, which is a contradiction in terms). Wal-marts, K-marts, and mom-and-pop shops are good for economies. So are monopolies. Economics is nothing more than a force, like the wind or the waves. There are windy days and there are calm days; so, too, are there good economic times and bad economic times. The Keynesian philosophy of governments going into debt in bad times and running surplusses in good times is just one step away from central planning (i.e. Communism). Not that I'm against Communism, but I don't believe the government should interfere in economics. That's not what they're there for.
Anyway, that took me on a tangent of what I intended to say: I don't toe any political party's line. To say that the politician I respect the most (and the person I'd vote for President) is a Republican would almost give Zap a heart attack. But, it's true nonetheless (I'm refering to Sen. McCain, BTW).
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
uhhhhh, my name is billy. i'm in the 2nd grade. can you pls explain to me why these people are going to jail for the same thing bush is saying is not a crime?
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
The president wiretapping 'terrorists' is completely different than a lawyer trying to make a buck. So say if he used the tap to find leading information against terrorism? what then?
__________________ "Unless someone like you cares a whole lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."
-Dr. Seuss, the lorax
Then when you catch the guy you cant bring him to trial. Why do you think no one wants to have trials for obvious terrorists at gitmo? All you can do is hold him forever in a jail which is illegal then beg him to move to an Arab nation and never come back.
__________________ "Great male inventors: Henry Ford - Assembly line construction"
"Great female inventors: Janice Smith - Camel Toe"
