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Yes, I'm still against this war. Just because I see some pictures of our troops flashed to some sad country song doesn't mean I'm going to change my thoughts and ideals.
There is a reason why so many Americans are against this war. In WWI and WWII we had to defend our country. However, in Korea, Vietnam, and this war, we went to war, not to defend our country, but for economic and political interests.
I do not support this war. How many more American troops need to die? Do you really think another 3 years and 2000 American lives will make a difference in Iraq? I don't. But, of course, I'm basing my judgement on what I saw over in the Middle East. Others base it solely on what they think or believe, or on blinded patriotism. Hmmm.
I support our troops not coming home in body bags and hopefully establishing a foot hold of democracy in the area. I would settle for 3 bases in their desert. However it doesnt look like we will even get that. I was for this war when I thought no president would ever ignore a way out of a war. It hasnt even been 2 months since Bush admitted he was wrong to go in. I dont care about people half way around the world living how they want to live. You can say they were held down. George W. was held down so he won independence. I dont like the idea of grown men with families being sent over there because they joined the national gaurd thinking they would help with floods.
Why do the same guys that hate public assistance love this war? Its the same logic. If you dont earn your money you wont respect it. If you dont earn your freedom you wont respect it. Why do we think we can force our ways on to a group of people who dont really want it. This is not star trek we cant make everyone like us through freedom.
Well I can think of many better things to spend billions of dollars on besides war.
War=lame
I read somewhere (Newsweek, actually), that we could feed every starving child in the world for 13 years (that's 3 squares a day, every day) with just the last amount Congress gave to the war effort (sorry, I don't remember the exact amount and I don't have my mag copy handy). That doesn't include all the money that was initially given and all the money that will be given.
Also, just what Congress authorizes doesn't even come close to calculating the cost of the war. You have to calculate lost wages to the families of those who die, lost productivity and earnings to the companies for which those who died worked for, the amount of money paid for by insurance to the families of the deceased, government payout to the families of the dead and life-long care to those who were injured...etc.
War has many hidden costs and to say that our grandchildren will still be paying for this war is not an exageration. I don't remember the name of the Harvard economist who calculated it, but up to 31 Dec 05, he calculated the total cost of the war to be around 19 Trillion dollars when all is said and done (after you take into consideration all the "little" things the war affects in the economy)
Last edited by silverdevil : 02-06-2006 at 05:08 PM.
Yes, I'm still against this war. Just because I see some pictures of our troops flashed to some sad country song doesn't mean I'm going to change my thoughts and ideals.
There is a reason why so many Americans are against this war. In WWI and WWII we had to defend our country. However, in Korea, Vietnam, and this war, we went to war, not to defend our country, but for economic and political interests.
I do not support this war. How many more American troops need to die? Do you really think another 3 years and 2000 American lives will make a difference in Iraq? I don't. But, of course, I'm basing my judgement on what I saw over in the Middle East. Others base it solely on what they think or believe, or on blinded patriotism. Hmmm.
We may not see eye to eye on everything, but on this one I must you...
I may or may not be agianst this war or any other war... But, I will not sit here and tarnish the lives that where lost. I honor them and all my brothers and sisters for what they gave (whether they belived in it or not).
I read somewhere (Newsweek, actually), that we could feed every starving child in the world for 13 years (that's 3 squares a day, every day) with just the last amount Congress gave to the war effort (sorry, I don't remember the exact amount and I don't have my mag copy handy). That doesn't include all the money that was initially given and all the money that will be given.
Also, just what Congress authorizes doesn't even come close to calculating the cost of the war. You have to calculate lost wages to the families of those who die, lost productivity and earnings to the companies for which those who died worked for, the amount of money paid for by insurance to the families of the deceased, government payout to the families of the dead and life-long care to those who were injured...etc.
War has many hidden costs and to say that our grandchildren will still be paying for this war is not an exageration. I don't remember the name of the Harvard economist who calculated it, but up to 31 Dec 05, he calculated the total cost of the war to be around 19 Trillion dollars when all is said and done (after you take into consideration all the "little" things the war affects in the economy)
Holy !#!#@$#@!$#@$#@!!@#@#~
My grand kids are not going to pay taxes!!! ahhh!!
I may or may not be agianst this war or any other war... But, I will not sit here and tarnish the lives that where lost. I honor them and all my brothers and sisters for what they gave (whether they belived in it or not).
^Amen to that brother!!
And exactly what did you see in the Middle East "silverdevil"? Were you on the front lines or watching it from behind a desk? And I mean that in no disrespect to your service over there. You really don't see or hear especially in the Media what our Troops do on the ground on a daily basis helping the Iraqis. Its always the Negative the media portrays at our Troops expense to make this War and Administration look bad.
Most of you here do not support or believe we went into this war for the right reasons... only time and history will TRULY tell. But meanwhile, Troops are in Iraq NOW fighting these cowardly TERRORISTS. I fully support our troops and this global war on terrorism.
Last edited by 05_ CivicJDM : 02-19-2006 at 05:56 AM.
And exactly what did you see in the Middle East "silverdevil"? Were you on the front lines or watching it from behind a desk? And I mean that in no disrespect to your service over there. You really don't see or hear especially in the Media what our Troops do on the ground on a daily basis helping the Iraqis. Its always the Negative the media portrays at our Troops expense to make this War and Administration look bad.
Most of you here do not support or believe we went into this war for the right reasons... only time and history will TRULY tell. But meanwhile, Troops are in Iraq NOW fighting these cowardly TERRORISTS. I fully support our troops and this global war on terrorism.
I was watching from behind a desk, if you will. But, people from my office did go out to the front lines so I heard stories first hand. Stories you don't hear in the media about how some people will welcome you into their homes and give you bread and how others will throw their shoes at you (a big insult in that part of the world). As I remember it, it was split about 50-50, with half the people supporting us and the other half wanting to do their own thing. The trend did seem to be moving towards more people not wanting us there, tho.
I don't believe we went in for the right reasons. I remember seeing the evidence the Administration was pushing and believing every word they told us. I actually believed we were under imminent danger and supported the war 100%. But, hindsight is 20-20, I guess. After reading many, many of the reports about the lead-in to the war, I have to say I (and America) was duped. We were lied to, brother.
Right now, there is a bill, sponsored by John Conyers, to look into the facts and brink Bush up for impeachment if he is found to have broken the law. The resolution is HR635 and can be viewed at the Library of Congress site: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.RES.635:
Of course, the House Judiciary Committee is just sitting on it right now (Republican-controlled Congress, what do you expect?). He did say, in an interview with Harper's Magazine, that he introduced the bill so that no Congressman can say in the future that they did not act because nobody introduced the means to do so. The bill does have 26 cosponsors right now, but the committee will not hear the arguments right now. Go figure. All he's calling for is an investigation to see if we should impeach Bush. Why not investigate it and see if he did break the law?
what's going on in 3 years my friend? i guess i shouldn't make such broad statements, but in terms of us putting our fat nose in a place it doesnt belong and sneezing all over it, as well as costing this country unimaginable amounts of money and riling up such discontent among its citizens... yea it's comparable to vietnam in many ways.
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