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Old 01-26-2006   #1 (permalink)
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Hamas wins elections

WOW. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I know they want peace very badly so why on Earth did they vote for Hamas?

The only thing I have to say is I was concerned just as much as when Isreal picked Sharon knowing that he was a blood thirsty general and he turned out to be a cool dude. I hope Hamas does the same.
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They voted for Hamas for the same reason we vote for Bush. Hamas stands up for them. I mean imagine you have a home in Alabama. Then all of a sudden Hindus fly in and say "hey I know My ancestors(maybe not even that persons ancestors just guys who were in the same religion he is in now) lived in Alabama and dominated this area 2000 years ago. In fact Alabama has been taken by more than 4 different groups since we last held it, and there was just a war in Europe so the Chinese said we could have Alabama."

Who would you vote for? The group that says "I will fight to get us a small piece of the land we once had." Then you find out they are taking money from the Chinese(the guys who gave Al to the hindus)to fund their campaigns. Or would you vote for the Klan "I will light their homes on fire and get these foreigners out of our grandparents communities" Then the Klan also serves breakfasts and starts community projects that employ you and your family.

Yes I know Jews have made Israel 100x better than it ever would have been. However if someone takes my car and sales it to another guy who invests 100k in to it I still expect to get my car back.

I know its wrong. The whole situation is wrong.
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"hey I know My ancestors(maybe not even that persons ancestors just guys who were in the same religion he is in now) lived in Alabama and dominated this area 2000 years ago.
Yes I know Jews have made Israel 100x better than it ever would have been. However if someone takes my car and sales it to another guy who invests 100k in to it I still expect to get my car back.

That's possibly the worst analogy I ever heard.

Fact: Jews and Muslims have lived in Israel for 1000's of years, and they seemed to get along just fine for the most part. Before Israel became a country again, yes, more Jews did come in, but they didn't flood the region out. The arabs in the area were content to move out of Israeli controlled areas, even after Israel became a country, all the way until the Six-Day war when Israel beat the crap out of 4 arab countries that were about to invade them, and took the west back, golan heights, gaza, and the sinai. It was only after that, that the arabs in the area started calling themselves "palestinians". Some of them, at least, many of them were content to move into Jordan or Egypt and move on with their lives.

Yes, the Palestinians do want peace. It's the same kind of peace that every warmonger country on earth wants, a peace of domination. The peace that comes after your mortal enemy is vanquished. They don't want the peace that Israel wants, where you co-exist, like many hundreds of thousands of Arabic-Israelis. They want the peace where all Jews lie dead.

This organization, Hamas, is very closely linked to the Iranians that support them. Tyranical, despotic, psychopathic, fundamentalist.

Don't believe me?


Palestinian statue of liberty. This is not Israeli propoganda, this is what is in their own newspapers.


Pictures of first woman suicide bomber, they were distributed to women.


Think they hate only Republicans, and not Democrats? The two figures below are Bush and Kerry.

There's a ton more stuff here, but this pretty clearly shows the psychopathic ideology of groups like Hamas. Their show of support from the populace is disturbing.....
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So what we are in america. I am not scared of the big bad terrorist. This is Israels problem. Lets cut federal funding to the palestinians and call it a day. To ignore them would be bad policy. Who knows with real power they may calm down. They are not insane people they are just mad. The reason they use suicide bombers is because they cant afford jets.
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WOW. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I know they want peace very badly so why on Earth did they vote for Hamas?

The only thing I have to say is I was concerned just as much as when Isreal picked Sharon knowing that he was a blood thirsty general and he turned out to be a cool dude. I hope Hamas does the same.
^WTF? I don't think Hamas will turn out to be cool in the end. The US along w/Israel and European Allies must take a strong stance on this TERRORIST group and should not even think of ANY negotiation or compromise. Iran is now just a step even closer to Israel now that Hamas has won the majority in Palestine.
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^You're right.

This just out: HAMAS just announced they re-affirmed their intentions to wipe Israel off the map and drive the Jews into the sea. Nice.
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Cool now the Jews can kill them in a totally legal manner. Now that they are a real government they can declare a real war.
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The Jews never killed them in an illegal manner, except those assasinations which were completely justified, IMHO.
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Justified doesnt equal legal. I am not attacking the jews. I am saying both sides have legit beef. Now that one of the more extreme palestinian groups is in power they have a chance to smash it all.
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The Jews never killed them in an illegal manner, except those assasinations which were completely justified, IMHO.
This really gets my goat. I'm not talking about you, but about two cultures that are supposed to be religious. They believe in a God that is just and merciful who has declared murder to be wrong yet they believe that killing for their God or their country is right. Both believe that God gives you trials here on Earth and then rewards you in Heaven if you've been meek yet they want to be the oppressors instead of those favored in their God's eye. It makes no sense to me.
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Yeah its hard to make sense of it all. Especially when a nation bases its ideals on a non-proven power from above.
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