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Old 01-09-2006   #31 (permalink)
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^I totally agree with you on the US taking a tougher stance on Terrorist "suspects" here. I wish we would raid every Mosque and weed out the Extremists in this country. But Nooo... even Islam Extremists have civil liberty rights in the US.

Heard of "Able Danger"? US Government Military Intelligence had identified Mohamed Atta and several other 9/11 hijackers a year PRIOR to Sept. 11th but Intel was brushed aside by Bureacrats and LAWYERS.
u never said raid all the mosques. my step dad is Islamic. i have no quareels with it. i mean like if you see a guy with a towel on his head and a bag full of shit then search his ass. if his passport says puerto rico and he looks middle eastern search that shit!
im not for anti Islamic laws or anything like that.
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There are no good reasons to go there...Its just keeps getting worse and worse over there...ill stop there cause poeple might not like my thought on that bull$shit.
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There are no good reasons to go there...Its just keeps getting worse and worse over there...ill stop there cause poeple might not like my thought on that bull$shit.
I'm sure alot of people feel the same way.


i think this abramoff controversy is gonna expose alot of politicians to what they really are. Hopefully this will be a catalyst for creating political contribution laws. Its funny how the republicans feel they represent the moral views of society....when its their leaders that are the most corrupt.


LOL...i recently saw a Clinton - Obama 2008 bumper sticker.
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What I mean is that you want to undermine the war effort so much, that you actually want to see the death tolls rise, because you know that that will be the one thing that hurts Bush more than anything else.

You hate Bush so much that you would willingly put the United States at severe risk of terrorist attack (through stopping monitoring of calls of known terrorist cells) in order to discredit him.

You hate Bush so much that you would rather see the US fail in Iraq, and it become another terrorist state like Iran, just to see Bush impeached.

Am I the only one that thinks there's something wrong with that? Hate Bush all you want, but leave the good things that he doesn't out of it. You can hate someone and still respect that they are doing *something* good!
I don't want soldiers dead. I don't want Iraq to be lost. I don't think the death toll can change anyone's mind. By now if you don't hate bush you would get on the rail road cars if he sent them. I would love to see a safe and secure Iraq. Which "safe and secure" is how Bush vaguely defines victory. Is Israel "safe and secure?" 50 years later with a strong economy and a strong army Israel is still under small but constant attack. I think where the 2 sides disagree isn't with wanting anyone dead or hating the bill of rights. I think its because some view terror as an ineffective tactic. on 9/11 we lost 3k people. Its such a small # that the argument could almost be made in 100 years that the loss of the buildings was more important. I don't think we can stop terror and anything we do to try to stop it will fuel their fire. Mean people exist sometimes they will kill us. Sometimes they wont. Your brand new baby has a 100,000x more likely chance to die in a drunk driver related crash. So why isn't anyone taking a zero tolerance stand on drunk driving. At the very least taking their licenses. If we reacted to dui the same way we do terror we would set dui bomb neighborhoods with dui offenders in them. I think its because we know that even though a dui related accident is an event with a predictable outcome we know we cant stop it. We cant stop terrorism either.

Why did we go in to a pre-emptive war? Why did we ignore all our intel that said there were no wmd's. Why did we use shock and aww on people who weren't doing anything but feeding themselves. Were they going around the oil for food programs? Yes. But we should have known that was going to happen. WW2 would have never gone down if we didn't bend Germany over at the end of WW1. This time the country that was bent over didn't even build up their military and we went in to take them out. I know if the us had embargo's from the time I was in 1st grade then the nation that put the embargos on us invaded for no reason I would fight back if they bombed my country for days on end then came in and said they were saving me.
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were at war for nothing good..no good has came out of it...the US goverment took the trade center down and all the shit that happened that day...thats what i think...this world is a ****ed up place...


ill just say this...those dirtbags over there can chop our heads off and post them on the internet, and thats ok....but when a US soldier does something to harm one of those sand******s over there they go to jail and we get all in trouble...

no good has or will come out of this crap...just the continuation of more US poeple dying for nothing...
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A little off topic but,

I think most Liberals these days have stemmed their ideas/ideals from the same people who also believe that the government has cameras installed behind our bathroom mirrors, who believe that Bush was behind the 9/11 attack, and that the CIA handed cocaine out to african americans in the states.

That being said, I believe that alot of the accusations toward Bush, the reason why we are in Iraq, etc, etc, etc are purely generated from rumors, and hatred toward the subject.

"We only did it for $$$, and oil."

Alot of the shite to me is exagerrated.

But im not saying that the suspicion shouldnt be ruled out. I just believe that alot of crap that we hear is exagerrated. People that instantly come up in my mind are the Democrats that are still pissed on the last election. Just remember alot of these beliefs come from the same people that oppose Bush, so keep an open freaking mind.

One thing I hate is people that are compeltely one-sided and dont even know what the other side looks like. Listen to both stories, and make your decision. Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself if you understood why they did make a decision.
I and a lot of people who hate bush are republicans who didnt swing against him until the truth came out. By the truth I mean the 9/11 commission's report. You know that crazy left wing(sarcasim it was bypartisan as can be and the republicans on it agreed with everything in it) pannel that found no link between Iraq and terror. Or when BUSH CAME OUT AND ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG YET WOULD STILL KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE IF HE HAD TO DO IT AGAIN. I dont know but I didnt hate him until he started calling everyone who questioned him with valid points "anti-american." Or if anyone gets in his way they're "putting the nation at risk." If anyone suggests hey maybe we should try something else in Iraq including doubling our presence in Iraq they are told they want to "cut and run." I dont know maybe I hate him for appointing another crony to the head of immigration and customs. Remember Brown? I have many reasons to hate Bush. I love his tax cuts, but to me killing people who have done nothing then saying you would do it again if you knew the truth out weighs tax cuts to some of us. Also I dont appreciate the fake problems that SSI supposedly had. Remember Bob Dole? He fixed it for another 20 years b4 he left the senate to run for president. Theres a million reasons to hate Bush. Theres a few reasons to like him but the reasons to hate him are so great. I am sure that even the uni-bomber held a few doors for women but that doesnt make him an ok guy. I don't know man slaughter isn't ok in my book. Lets say bush didn't have anyone telling him he was wrong to go in to Iraq(so forget about Powell) well that's still man slaughter. You shoot a man on the street who you think is mugging a man but is just playing with a friend its called man slaughter. No matter how good it made you feel to do it at the time you still get to go to jail or get a nice little ankle braclet.
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iraq is trading one dictator for another. thats a reason to go hhahahaha
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iraq is trading one dictator for another. thats a reason to go hhahahaha
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Yeah your right. Thats why one of the largest political parties in Iraq is named The Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI). Their leader is Abdul Aziz al-Hakim. They are currently changing their name because even they realize it sounds odd. Now I dont know maybe everything will go ok but i doubt it. I hope it does but it wont.
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Crazy liberal talking points. If you use these you know your not a patriot or a "good american"
1. The atrocities are America's fault.
2. The failure of diplomacy to avert the war is America's fault
3. Congress should not support the war.
4. We can't win.
5. Don't believe U.S. propaganda.
6. Give peace a chance.
7. We have no choice but to compromise
8. We're eager to compromise.
9. "Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
10. “How long, then, can it be before there is an uprising, and why hasn’t it happened before now?” (when speaking of american soldiers about the current president at a time of war.)
11. "shifting justifications" for war.
12. "President x is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be
away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
13. "American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
14. If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
15. "Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"
16. "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
17. Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."
18. "You can support the troops but not the president"
19. I know its old but hey its the "crazy liberal's" biggest gun "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

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^Thats false! During that war there were two seperate factions, the Afghans and Al Quaeda which was an extreme funded by Bin Laden NOT the USA. There never has been any evidence of us funding them. Read that book i suggested...

Wow for all the "School" that you finished for anti-terrorism you sure don't know that al-qaeda was founded the FOLLOWING DECADE after the war against the soviets




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What Republican leaders and pundits had to say about Kosovo

1. The atrocities are America's fault.
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
2. The failure of diplomacy to avert the war is America's fault
-Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles of Oklahoma
3. Congress should not support the war.
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
4. We can't win.
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) , Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles of Oklahoma
5. Don't believe U.S. propaganda.
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) , Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles of Oklahoma
6. Give peace a chance.
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
7. We have no choice but to compromise
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
8. We're eager to compromise.
-Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles of Oklahoma
9. "Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
-Sean Hannity
10. “How long, then, can it be before there is an uprising, and why hasn’t it happened before now?” (when speaking of american soldiers about the current president at a time of war.)
-Rush Limbaugh
11. "shifting justifications" for war.
-Limbaugh letter
12. "President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be
away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)
13. "American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
14. If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush
15. "Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
16. "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
17. Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
18. "You can support the troops but not the president"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
19. "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


Sounds to me like these are a bunch of "defeatist" "pin heads" who dont understand that war is ugly. Especially the last guy I mean imagine if we told our enemy how long they had to wait us out in Kosovo. These guys probably couldnt wait for american jets to get shot down so they could undermine the war effort*i dont honestly believe that*






http://www.crooksandliars.com/storie...AndKosovo.html
http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/gop_kosovo.pdf
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/18/161016/461
http://www.mikehersh.com/printer_Whe...Was_Duty.shtml
I know the links are highly biased but the quotes are not lies. They said it. We say it. So stop calling us retards who "just dont understand" I understand that the crimes against humanity were just about even in both countrys and I understand Auto Accidents kill way more people than both these wars. So if we're going to spend a trillion dollars lets build roads and widen highways.

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Sounds to me like these are a bunch of "defeatist" "pin heads" who dont understand that war is ugly. Especially the last guy I mean imagine if we told our enemy how long they had to wait us out in Kosovo. These guys probably couldnt wait for american jets to get shot down so they could undermine the war effort*i dont honestly believe that*
I know the links are highly biased but the quotes are not lies. They said it. We say it. So stop calling us retards who "just dont understand" I understand that the crimes against humanity were just about even in both countrys and I understand Auto Accidents kill way more people than both these wars. So if we're going to spend a trillion dollars lets build roads and widen highways.
What does any of this have to do with the topic of this thread?

If you are trying to point out that it's all a bunch of stupid partisan politics, I think we already knew that, but then again, you're doing the same exact thing by introducing more partisian and biased material.

I really don't give a flip about Reps or Dems, I think they all need to stop supporting their political party and instead support this nation. Nobody is doing that, especially through their moronic partisian politics. This is exactly what is wrong with this nation.
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Wow for all the "School" that you finished for anti-terrorism you sure don't know that al-qaeda was founded the FOLLOWING DECADE after the war against the soviets




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back to topic.
more reasons to go to iraq
1. to get head blown off
2. to meet many men with towels on their heads
3. to meet ALOT of virgins
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