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Sorry I omitted that part. Yes 90% of the guys who complained about being there do want to go back. Not because they love Iraq. Because their "family" is still there. They don't want to leave their boys. Those guys have saved each other lives and seen some crazy stuff together. Them reenlisting doesn't mean they love the mission. It means they love their comrades.
Sorry, don't buy that. Maybe the couple guys that you are friends with have a unique experience or something, but by and large most of the soldiers that are over there are in relatively safe areas, they haven't saved each other's lives a lot, because they never see combat. Their jobs consist of patrolling and so on, not getting in firefights. It's not vietnam. A whopping 2k soldiers have died there, out of 150k. That means that some of the guys know someone that was in a firefight maybe, but not too many have actually been in one. There are few battles going on there. There are few ambushes. Once in a while a sniper. A carbomb or roadside bomb is how things happen now.
But in all seriousness, the things going on over there are more tranquil than the news and "Over There" the FX show, would have you believe. Most Iraqis go about their daily lives and don't ever see any sort of violence from insurgents. Sure, if you live in Mosul or Bahgdad, then you might know of a bomb that struck in the neighborhood a few miles away 2 weeks ago. But Basra is quiet. And the soldiers there see a whole lot of people that were tortured under the reign of Saddam, a lot of schools being built, and no terrorists at all.
I understand what you're trying to do Nick, you're trying to make Iraq seem as some complete hellhole in an attempt to discredit Bush more. I personally don't care about Bush a lick, but I care that you are trying to undermine the war effort in an attempt to do so.
The thing I hate about some of you extreme liberals is that you would ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE AMERICAN MEN DIE so that you could hate GWB more. To you, you hate GWB and so you want GI's to die, instead of knowing that GI's die and hating him for that reason.
Well my friends are mp's. And by a lot at least 3 times in 19 months on the ground in Iraq vs. those of us who didn’t go between those 20 friends no one saved a soul. So they did see combat. When the combat was done with they had to deal with domestic disturbances. Where one of my friends was almost stabbed (by almost his clothes were cut by a man with a knife). Another friend was Shot in the arm. I don’t think Iraq is bad. I think the war on terror cannot be won nor is it definable. I don’t want to see gi's die. I think you like raping 4-year-old boys. I never said anything that says I want to see gi’s die. You never said anything about wanting to gay rape lil kids. Yes I do want to undermine the war effort. It cant be won this war could last for 2 generations. We aren’t fighting an enemy we are fighting a tactic. Terror isn’t an enemy. And define victory. If anything I see those who use terror as a tactic winning because of what we do to our own laws as a result of their actions. We are acting terrified.
Please clarify what you mean by this:
The thing I hate about some of you extreme liberals is that you would ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE AMERICAN MEN DIE so that you could hate GWB more. To you, you hate GWB and so you want GI's to die, instead of knowing that GI's die and hating him for that reason.
Because in all honesty I don’t watch the death toll. Until it hits 100k it isn’t shit. What is shit is a pre-emptive war for no good reason. If you lined up just the dead Japanese and those who died as a result of the Japanese in ww2 and shot and killed one a second it would take 202 days if you did the same in Iraq it would take less than half a day. In one air raid on Tokyo we killed 100k. It’s not the #'s that I care about. It’s the dumb ass leader who signs laws and changes them so he doesn’t need to follow them.
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What I mean is that you want to undermine the war effort so much, that you actually want to see the death tolls rise, because you know that that will be the one thing that hurts Bush more than anything else.
You hate Bush so much that you would willingly put the United States at severe risk of terrorist attack (through stopping monitoring of calls of known terrorist cells) in order to discredit him.
You hate Bush so much that you would rather see the US fail in Iraq, and it become another terrorist state like Iran, just to see Bush impeached.
Am I the only one that thinks there's something wrong with that? Hate Bush all you want, but leave the good things that he doesn't out of it. You can hate someone and still respect that they are doing *something* good!
yes, hell has frozen over cause i agree with nick.
on the other hand, i don't hate GWB. i just think he should not be president cause hes a moron.
^Wow, good "reason" for GW to not be President.
May i suggest some of you pick up a Book once in a while and read about the war on terrorism instead of watching CNN all the time. A book i'm currently reading is...
DISINFORMATION: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror
By Richard Miniter
^Wow, good "reason" for GW to not be President.
May i suggest some of you pick up a Book once in a while and read about the war on terrorism instead of watching CNN all the time. A book i'm currently reading is...
DISINFORMATION: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror
By Richard Miniter http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/089...lance&n=283155
Very good with lots of Facts
Sounds like an interesting book. While I don't quite have time to read it, I can say that the mainstream media does a horrible job of reporting crap, and it would be nice if some people could get some real sources and stop bleating about what CNN thinks...
May i suggest some of you pick up a Book once in a while and read about the war on terrorism instead of watching CNN all the time.
well then, i suggest you come to the country im from, live there for a little bit, then realize how much this country is better than any on earth. i know plenty of facts about all the "terrorism" running around the world. my family lives in Israel. they see that shit all the time. go live there. personally i wouldn't set foot in there without being fully armed.
back to the point, i don't like the president cause of a few reasons besides the moron part
1. i would like my presidents to be able to finish sentences- im serious
2. i am against the patriot act
3. if i had a nickel for everytime he talked about terrorism id be freakin rich.
4. im sick of hearing nothin but "terror this and terror that"
5. iraq will be the next vietnam- useless death with a president that won't withdraw.
i mean can anyone see the de ja vu? anyone? history is literally repeating itself right now.
if you think you know terrorism listen to this.
when russia and america were having satellite wars it was cuba and ukraine as the targets for each other. then afganistan went to "war" with russia. the US took the opportunity to "train" afgannis to handle guerilla warfare.
the US was giving them money. when they stopped, the afgans got pissed. so they used what the US taught them to do in an EXTREME way.
same with IRAQ BTW- saddam used to be an ally. the US gave him weapons way back in the day. so, i know what im talking about, just for the record.
then afganistan went to "war" with russia. the US took the opportunity to "train" afgannis to handle guerilla warfare.
the US was giving them money. when they stopped, the afgans got pissed. so they used what the US taught them to do in an EXTREME way.
same with IRAQ BTW- saddam used to be an ally. the US gave him weapons way back in the day. so, i know what im talking about, just for the record.[/quote]
^Thats false! During that war there were two seperate factions, the Afghans and Al Quaeda which was an extreme funded by Bin Laden NOT the USA. There never has been any evidence of us funding them. Read that book i suggested...
Have you heard of Federal Law EnforcementTraining Center down there in Glynco, GA? I trained and graduated from that Academy as a Federal Police Officer for the Dept. of Homeland Security. I've had my share of Terrorism briefs and classes on ALL Islamic cells throughout the world.
And you're right, it is a daily war over in Israel because of Palestine and surounding Muslim countries which would exterminate every Jew and Infidel in a second if they could. One would think with your Jewish background you would be more sympathetic to the Global war on Terrorism and be more supportive on what this country is doing for Israel and the world. I'm thankful that we have allies such as Israel and Britian.
I'm thankful that we have allies such as Israel and Britian.
Gotta love Mossad! They knew about 9/11 and tried to warn us, but we took it as "typical israeli propaganda". So much for that.
Mossad is the most advanced intelligence agency on earth. And rightfully so: they have to be. Being besieged by nations intent on your destruction isn't a fun place to be, but Israelis managed to carve their nation out of the rocks... then make the desert into a prosperous nation with their hard work. And they didn't need oil to do it.
I know it's a little off the subject, but for Israel.
Gotta love Mossad! They knew about 9/11 and tried to warn us, but we took it as "typical israeli propaganda". So much for that.
Mossad is the most advanced intelligence agency on earth. And rightfully so: they have to be. Being besieged by nations intent on your destruction isn't a fun place to be, but Israelis managed to carve their nation out of the rocks... then make the desert into a prosperous nation with their hard work. And they didn't need oil to do it.
I know it's a little off the subject, but for Israel.
i second that! God Bless Israel. They're the only ones trying to make compromises over there.
unfortunately things are gonna be shaky there (more so) for a while cuz of Sharon's health.
I don't think Iraq is another vietnam. Look at the results of the last election. they were overwhelmingly in favor of the religous shiites...not the US-backed secular shiites or the Sunnis. Which makes sense b'c the majority is Shiite. it shows that the elections are working.
We absolutely cannot backout now, even tho our original reason for initiating war was completely wrong, we can't topple a govt then leave. thats essentially what happened in WWI and the reason why Hitler came into power. their country was left in a depression and nobody helped them rebuild. Remember these insurgents are people coming over from other ME countries. they do not speak for the iraqi people.
i dunno anything about the patriot act to make a comment about it. maybe thats why i'm not too worried about that. i do think it sucks tho if you are mistakenly apprehended for looking or having the same name of a terror suspect. that type of thing is absolutely unacceptable because it goes against what the constitution stood for. i dunno if any of those stories are true but if the patriot act is what allowed them to do that then the patriot act sucks.
I wonder how much nicer the Middle east would be if their governments and al queda used their money to help their citizens. billions of dollars and lives wasted because our ideals are not the same.
One would think with your Jewish background you would be more sympathetic to the Global war on Terrorism and be more supportive on what this country is doing for Israel and the world. I'm thankful that we have allies such as Israel and Britian.
ok, you would also think that if america does its patriot act, then it would also do racial profiling. but nooooo. thats wrong.
anyway, im very sympathetic, i just think its being done wrong.
i mean look at Israel and what they do, they assassinate people openly. and they get results too. US needs to start. im also glad that America is allied with Israel. the US gave them all the weapons they use and have. They have the best air force on earth thanx to the planes from the USA.
don't get me wrong, i love this country. but it needs to start following what Israel does about their "terrorism" problems
1. racial profiling out the ASS.
2. assassinations
3. stricter airline policy
4. stricter border policy
i also understand that the USA is many times larger than Israel. but this is how they have survived for the past 50 years. its time to get smart and start following them.
there is one reason to stay in iraq- to have one more ally in the middle east.
right now there is
Jordan and Israel. 1 more would not be that bad. but you never know, Iraq could turn on the US the second the troops leave
1 more would not be that bad. but you never know, Iraq could turn on the US the second the troops leave
Aren't you forgetting Turkey and Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States? Maybe Egypt isn't a very strong ally, they they do have strong ties. Turkey can certainly be considered a part of the middle east, for better or for worse. Kuwait is small, Saudi Arabia is wishy-washy... gulf states are small. But they all have pro-american governments.
ok, you would also think that if america does its patriot act, then it would also do racial profiling. but nooooo. thats wrong.
anyway, im very sympathetic, i just think its being done wrong.
i mean look at Israel and what they do, they assassinate people openly. and they get results too. US needs to start. im also glad that America is allied with Israel. the US gave them all the weapons they use and have. They have the best air force on earth thanx to the planes from the USA.
don't get me wrong, i love this country. but it needs to start following what Israel does about their "terrorism" problems
1. racial profiling out the ASS.
2. assassinations
3. stricter airline policy
4. stricter border policy
i also understand that the USA is many times larger than Israel. but this is how they have survived for the past 50 years. its time to get smart and start following them.
there is one reason to stay in iraq- to have one more ally in the middle east.
right now there is
Jordan and Israel. 1 more would not be that bad. but you never know, Iraq could turn on the US the second the troops leave
^I totally agree with you on the US taking a tougher stance on Terrorist "suspects" here. I wish we would raid every Mosque and weed out the Extremists in this country. But Nooo... even Islam Extremists have civil liberty rights in the US.
Heard of "Able Danger"? US Government Military Intelligence had identified Mohamed Atta and several other 9/11 hijackers a year PRIOR to Sept. 11th but Intel was brushed aside by Bureacrats and LAWYERS.
I think most Liberals these days have stemmed their ideas/ideals from the same people who also believe that the government has cameras installed behind our bathroom mirrors, who believe that Bush was behind the 9/11 attack, and that the CIA handed cocaine out to african americans in the states.
That being said, I believe that alot of the accusations toward Bush, the reason why we are in Iraq, etc, etc, etc are purely generated from rumors, and hatred toward the subject.
"We only did it for $$$, and oil."
Alot of the shite to me is exagerrated.
But im not saying that the suspicion shouldnt be ruled out. I just believe that alot of crap that we hear is exagerrated. People that instantly come up in my mind are the Democrats that are still pissed on the last election. Just remember alot of these beliefs come from the same people that oppose Bush, so keep an open freaking mind.
One thing I hate is people that are compeltely one-sided and dont even know what the other side looks like. Listen to both stories, and make your decision. Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself if you understood why they did make a decision.
for Israel.
I wish we would raid every Mosque and weed out the Extremists in this country. But Nooo... even Islam Extremists have civil liberty rights in the US. 
