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No, Puerto Rico is not a state. That doesn't mean that we, as Puerto Ricans, don't have every single right you have, because we do. There is no such thing as a second-class citizen in the U.S. If you knew history so well you would know that.
Every right, huh? Correct me if i am wrong (did i have to ask), but Puerto Ricans can't vote in the presidential election, Right? I also believe the Internal revenue code doesn't apply either..?
Every right, huh? Correct me if i am wrong (did i have to ask), but Puerto Ricans can't vote in the presidential election, Right? I also believe the Internal revenue code doesn't apply either..?
You are right and wrong. Any U.S. citizen residing in a U.S. territory is not able to vote for President because territories have no Electoral Colleges, hence no representation for Electoral votes (we all know the Electoral College elects the President and not the people). So, if you move to P.R. then you cannot vote for the President, either. It has nothing to do with our "class" or rights as citizens and everything to do with how Presidential elections work.
You are wrong about the IRS, tho. All U.S. citizens and residents are required, by law, to pay taxes to the IRS. However, P.R. has an exemption that allows for a choice: you can pay the IRS OR you can pay the Puerto Rican government. You can also file with both, as I did once. The code still applies, tho.
I have not once questioned the class of puerto ricans, i just like to argue. I have met few Puerto Ricans that didn't speak english, to be honest. I didn't know they change the Internal Revenue code? I don't follow it that well though.
Wait wait wait, is there even any advantage to filing in both U.S. and P.R.
No, there isn't any. What either agency will do is take into consideration what you paid the other one and subtract that from their total. The only reason I did it that way was because I filed in the U.S. before I got my PR W-2 (it was lost in the mail) and I didn't want to file more paperwork with the IRS so I filed in PR with the 1040ez. BTW, PR uses the same forms the IRS does.
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Originally Posted by Draven2
Oh, and a little off topic but, how big of an employer is Micron in Puerto Rico?
have you spent any time with immigrants? There are plenty that do not learn to speak English, nor do they make any attempt. They work with their fellow countrymen, they come home and speak their native language, and they shop in stores where they can use their language. It is easier. I am not saying all immigrants are like that, but there is a large percentage that don't care to learn to speak the language here.
It is a very unfair statement. We are all driving civics. What do you feel if Honda doesn't provide you a English manual. There are so many Americans in Hong Kong, can I ask them to get the hell out if they don't speak Chinese?? The fact is: almost all Americans in Hong Kong don't speak Chinese, not even a single word. Most of them don't even want to try, if you want to compare.
It is a very unfair statement. We are all driving civics. What do you feel if Honda doesn't provide you a English manual. There are so many Americans in Hong Kong, can I ask them to get the hell out if they don't speak Chinese?? The fact is: almost all Americans in Hong Kong don't speak Chinese, not even a single word. Most of them don't even want to try, if you want to compare.
Then yes by all right's they should get the hell out...
It is a very unfair statement. We are all driving civics. What do you feel if Honda doesn't provide you a English manual. There are so many Americans in Hong Kong, can I ask them to get the hell out if they don't speak Chinese?? The fact is: almost all Americans in Hong Kong don't speak Chinese, not even a single word. Most of them don't even want to try, if you want to compare.
tell them to learn Chinese. I know Americans are so "me" focused that we expect people to bend for us. Screw that. You stay longer than a month in a different country, you play by their rules. If you are there for long periods of time and are part of the culture, then if you want to try to change things, go ahead.
So were my great grandparents. My great grandmother barely spoke any english when she died. I don't know whether she tried or not, but it would make sense to me to learn the language of the country you decided to LIVE in. My uncle lives in Japan (20+ years) and has learned to speak Japanese, although many Japanese speak English. You are on someone elses turf, you go by their rules.
its really rude when they say that. its not like immigrants dont try to learn english. and even when they do, people still make fun of them when they speak it just because they speak it in a different tone.
I live on the border of Texas and Mexico. Hell I can walk outside of my office and see the Rio Grande that seperates the US and Mexico. I am an American Mexican (in that order), and I cannot stand when people come across the border and expect me to speak to them in spanish. Yes I understand and speak spanish, but the way I see it, if you are here in my country, learn my language. Now I know there is the whole "America doesn't have a national language" issue, but when the majority of the country speaks English, that sure as hell is our damn language. It irritates me to no end that we have people coming across that demand that everything be handed to them on a silver platter, wanting government help, but refuse to register their cars in the US, fly the Mexican flag above the US flag, and refuse to learn English.
I go to Wal-Mart and if I need help finding something I need to ask a great deal of the clerks in spanish. Hell half the people I work with do not speak English. I am not racist nor do I concider people from across the border sub-human, but common curtosy(sp) states that when in rome do as... If I go somewhere else, I try my damnedest to speak to them in their language. It may be the worst they have ever heard their native tounge being spoken, but at least I try. These people won't even do that much.
Sorry for the rambling novel, it just irritates me when everyone is quick to say that it's racist, offensive, or politically incorrect, when most people aren't living the situation...
I also believe the Internal revenue code doesn't apply either..?
