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Righr right right, just cast the Natives aside. I forget nobody has it as bad as the "Mexicans," or the so-called "African-American."
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Righr right right, just cast the Natives aside. I forget nobody has it as bad as the "Mexicans," or the so-called "African-American."
Nobody is casting the INDIANS aside. BTW, I call them Indians because most of them would rather be called Indian than "Native American."
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
^^ That's why I refer to us as Natives not "Native-Americans." And yes, you are casting us aside, by going on about how Natives weren't the first to inhabit this country. Explain something to me, where the hell do you come up with this shit?
__________________ Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it. - Fightclub
...there is no justice without sin... Member of a dying breed: The white man in Northern Virginia. "RadioShack: You've got questions, We've ripped you off" Support local music... Sleep with a musician.
^^ That's why I refer to us as Natives not "Native-Americans." And yes, you are casting us aside, by going on about how Natives weren't the first to inhabit this country. Explain something to me, where the hell do you come up with this shit?
Also, the word "native" comes from the latin, nativus, meaning to be born in. So we are all native Americans so long as we were born here. That is why I refer to them as Indians.
The first to inhabit this country, as you can read from the link I just posted, came from Asia. Some believe seafearing people also made the trek via ocean crossings (such as the Vikings did), but this is not yet widely supported. However, places such as Easter Island and other South American sites lend credibility to these theories.
What I'm trying to say is that the Indians, while they might've been here first, are not indiginous (yes, I know the etymology is from Indian, but the word means to originate in a specific place). As is common knowledge, Indians did not originate here; they travelled here.
Indians are Aboriginal Americans, not Native Americans. They are the earliest known inhabitants, not the "native" or "indigenous" people of the land.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
Borders are nothing more than imaginary lines. Just because one person lives within your imaginary line doesn't mean they have to live the way you want them to live. It is a person's inalianable right to live how he wants to live and do so in the language he chooses. If the necessity arises for that person to speak English, then I guess they'll have to learn. But, while they can live without it, what is the incentive to learn it?
Seeing the flag for your Avatar, I am guessing you are puerto rican, right? If borders are no more than imaginery lines, why are you on this side of that line? Little to No oppurtunity on the other side....I guess that "imaginery" line is pretty defining...
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Originally Posted by silverdevil
Are you referring to Indians? You must mean the people who were here before the European countries colonized America, right? Well, what about the people who were here before them? And before those people? There is no such thing as a "native American," at least not in the sense they want to portray "native" as. You see, if everyone migrated here from somewhere else (namely Asia and the islands in the Pacific) then nobody is TRULY native because nobody started out here.
Then you comment:
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Originally Posted by silverdevil
Also, the word "native" comes from the latin, nativus, meaning to be born in. So we are all native Americans so long as we were born here. That is why I refer to them as Indians.
So anyone wanna own up on giving me some negative rep? ****ing pussies.
__________________ Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it. - Fightclub
...there is no justice without sin... Member of a dying breed: The white man in Northern Virginia. "RadioShack: You've got questions, We've ripped you off" Support local music... Sleep with a musician.
yes, someone neg repped me, too. Said I use the word "bigot" too much. I only used it once. I sign my reps, good or bad, but this person also left it unsigned. Hmmm... I can only imagine it was Draven, but I don't really know.
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Originally Posted by caspers_hatch
Seeing the flag for your Avatar, I am guessing you are puerto rican, right? If borders are no more than imaginery lines, why are you on this side of that line? Little to No oppurtunity on the other side....I guess that "imaginery" line is pretty defining...
Excuse me? Are you trying to imply that, by me being Puerto Rican, I crossed some border to get into the U.S.? Look up the Jones Act of 1917. When you do, you will find that all Puerto Ricans are Natural-Born Citizens. I did not cross any border as I was born on American soil making me an American from the moment I was born. So, too, are all other Puerto Ricans.
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Originally Posted by caspers_hatch
Contradict yourself much?
There is no crontradiction in the quotes you cite. Here is the first one again:
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Originally Posted by silverdevil
Are you referring to Indians? You must mean the people who were here before the European countries colonized America, right? Well, what about the people who were here before them? And before those people? There is no such thing as a "native American," at least not in the sense they want to portray "native" as. You see, if everyone migrated here from somewhere else (namely Asia and the islands in the Pacific) then nobody is TRULY native because nobody started out here.
Do you see the part that says, "at least not in the sense they want to portray 'native' as?" Well, people want to portray native as meaning that they were here from the beginning of time. That is not so, they came here just like the Europeans did, only a few millenia before. The word native is wrongly used. That is why I say that, if they are going to call them something other than Indian, it should be Aboriginal Americans, not Native Americans, because we are all native, but they are aboriginal. Look up those words in your dictionary and you will see why.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
Actually it was not I that neg. repped you. I got some myself. You don't pay much attention do you?
__________________ Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it. - Fightclub
...there is no justice without sin... Member of a dying breed: The white man in Northern Virginia. "RadioShack: You've got questions, We've ripped you off" Support local music... Sleep with a musician.
Besides I think that it's rediculous as hell to leave a person neg. rep. based on their opinions. I only leave pos. rep.
__________________ Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it. - Fightclub
...there is no justice without sin... Member of a dying breed: The white man in Northern Virginia. "RadioShack: You've got questions, We've ripped you off" Support local music... Sleep with a musician.
Actually it was not I that neg. repped you. I got some myself. You don't pay much attention do you?
I just wrote it thinking maybe you did it in retaliation thinking I left you neg rep. I appologize if it wasn't you. I did pay attention, BTW, that's why I thought what I thought. It's all good, tho. Maybe some mod will come and tell us who repped whom.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
Ya'll need to chill out. Anger gets no one anywhere.
I just wanted to ask caspers_hatch - if you are so upset at hispanics being in this country, why are you perpetuating it by hiring hispanic maids and gardeners? I am not trying to instigate, just trying for you to understand that there are hispanics that come to this country legally. Although they may not learn English, they have a right to be here. Yes, it is frustrating that many people do not learn to speak to English, but until the Federal government requires it to get residency, then nothing will change. There is no use in getting so angry about the situation. Just move on...
__________________ Life isnt a test drive, gotta live a little. (02fpcivic)
I never said i was upset, i believe in fair opportunity for anyone. What upsets me, which i believe has been said before, is people (regardless of nationality) that have no desire to be "American", yet live in America?
I am a firm believer, when in Rome.....
If i was "Angry" with anyone it would be "W" bush, that's a whole thread on its own.
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Originally Posted by silverdevil
Excuse me? Are you trying to imply that, by me being Puerto Rican, I crossed some border to get into the U.S.? Look up the Jones Act of 1917. When you do, you will find that all Puerto Ricans are Natural-Born Citizens. I did not cross any border as I was born on American soil making me an American from the moment I was born. So, too, are all other Puerto Ricans.
I know history, very well. My point: Someone from whom you descended, at some point, made the trek to the US for more opportunity. Puerto Rico, is not a "united state" its a territory. You may have been born American, but i am pretty sure opportunities are not as abundent.
Shirt is funny, but shouldn't it be in a dialect other than English? Obviously if they don't speak English, i am sure they probably can't read it either.
I know history, very well. My point: Someone from whom you descended, at some point, made the trek to the US for more opportunity. Puerto Rico, is not a "united state" its a territory. You may have been born American, but i am pretty sure opportunities are not as abundent.
You might know history, but grammar and spelling own joo!
So, by me being Puerto Rican, you are saying that I 'trekked' into the U.S. looking for opportunity? I'm here because this is where I was told to go. I enlisted in the Armed Forces to defend and fight for my country and my fellow citizen's rights. I didn't come looking for opportunity other than the opportunity to defend your right to free speech.
No, Puerto Rico is not a state. That doesn't mean that we, as Puerto Ricans, don't have every single right you have, because we do. There is no such thing as a second-class citizen in the U.S. If you knew history so well you would know that. As American Citizens, Puerto Ricans can move freely within all U.S. states and territories for whatever reason they want. If you have no problems with a person moving from Georgia to California looking for a job or a better life, you should have no problems with a Puerto Rican doing the same; lest you be a hypocrite, that is.
__________________ I have too much respect for the idea of God to make it responsible for such an absurd world.
-Georges Duhamel
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
-Mark Twain
