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Bush was smart at first to get SOME troops in iraq to fix their issues, but not ALL the troops. Im behind Bush on some of his movements, but not on many. Especailly since he will walk away in another 3 years as a billionaire after all the money he is making from this oil crisis....him and **** Cheney...
As for the joke, not really funny, unless you happened to be in love with John Kerry
you guys must be stupid as shyt if you think bush doesn't have balls. bush has BIG balls to in the first place bring all of our troops over to iraq and afghanistan and fight a war. okay okay there were no weapons of mass destruction blah blah blah but they are still f****** terrorists. they would kill us at the chance and are doing so. If bush listened to the way the country is talking now, we would be in a world of shyt. I know hes not the best president but what we are doing over there is not a waste. The views of america today are *****fied. 50 years ago America would NEVER have put up with whats going on today. The citizens of the United States arer being to "nice" to everybody. If you dont like wahts happening, hit the road jack. Thats what needs to start happening. All these people from other countrys that are now "citizens" are complaining that "these are my people, they are not hurting anyone" thats a bunch of bull shyt. They would hurt anyone at the chance. Its better that we are in this now instead of waiting until something horrible happened again. Oh and another thing that gets me mad is whne people try to change everything away from God. This country was founded by God. Now i'm reading that these people are trying to take the word God out of the pledge of allegience. Thats the biggest bunch of bull shyt I have ever read in my entire life. If people dont start stepping up to the plate and stop worrying about everybodys feelings, this country is going to be a place where "everything is okay" and if you've every messed up in your life or your running from the government in another country, you can just chill here. we wont mind. BULL SHYT.
AHH I feel very refreshed now.
Have you ever heard of making paragraphs? Jesus, this is really hard to read. I'm not even going to delve into the spelling mistakes. Anywho, let me address some of your concerns:
People in Afghanistan, by and large, do not want to kill you. They want to live their lives, peacefully, just like most of us. People all over the world are very similar; I doubt you've been out of your home town long enough to know this, tho. Just because a small group in a country doesn't like us is not a valid reason to go waging war on them.
This country WAS NOT founded by God; it was colonized by people trying to escape political persecution for their religious beliefs and founded by men of the Enlightenment which, by the most part, rejected God as part of any government. Read up on John Locke, the father of our way of government, and you will see that what I say is true. Also, here is a good article: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050221/allen
Another thing you mention is removing God from the Pledge of Allegiance. Did you know that it was put in there in the middle of the 1950's from fear of Communism by McCarthy and his cronies? Before that the pledge made no mention of God whatsoever. What's wrong with returning it to its original state?
You sound like a typical closed-minded person. You should do some traveling and realize that we, as Americans, aren't God's gift to the world.
U dont sound like you know much. Are you one of the troops thats over there walking around having iraqis throwing shit and spitting at them. After you've done that and you still want to say that they dont "hate" us, come back.
As for your comment about this country not being founded by God, you are completely wrong. Yes the people did come here because of there gov. trying to make them choose there religion, but they were all some sort of christian that beleived in God. None of them were muslim.
Whats wrong with leaving the pledge of allegiance the way it is now? Is it really hurting anybody. If you or anybody else doesn't want to say God, then theres a simple solution for that. Dont say it. If you have a problem with the way America works and the words that are in the pledge of allegiance then you probably shouldn't be saying it anyway.
i'm sure that it would be cheaper, but waht does it matter? It wouldn't be any cheaper on us. The gov. would just take that money and buy some new more comfortable chairs for themselves to sit in all day.
U dont sound like you know much. Are you one of the troops thats over there walking around having iraqis throwing shit and spitting at them. After you've done that and you still want to say that they dont "hate" us, come back.
As for your comment about this country not being founded by God, you are completely wrong. Yes the people did come here because of there gov. trying to make them choose there religion, but they were all some sort of christian that beleived in God. None of them were muslim.
Whats wrong with leaving the pledge of allegiance the way it is now? Is it really hurting anybody. If you or anybody else doesn't want to say God, then theres a simple solution for that. Dont say it. If you have a problem with the way America works and the words that are in the pledge of allegiance then you probably shouldn't be saying it anyway.
I don't sound like I know much, eh? LOL. I'm not going to debate my intelligence here because I think it's obvious by your post that you are just a closed-minded sheep that will follow just about anything you've been indoctrinated into.
As for being one of those troops over there, yes, I was one (I'm still a troop, I'm just not over there right now). I've done two tours over in the Middle East. I know what it's all about over there first hand, do you? They don't hate us. I don't blame anyone for not wanting people running over their country, either; I would feel the same.
The people who founded this coutry (a.k.a. the Founding Fathers: Jefferson, Washington, Franklyn, Adams, Paine, etc.) were not Christians, they were Deists. Did you not read the article I linked in my last post? I suggest you do and you do some research (I have a B.A. in philosophy with a minor in history). BTW, Muslims believe in the same God as Christians do.
U dont sound like you know much. Are you one of the troops thats over there walking around having iraqis throwing shit and spitting at them. After you've done that and you still want to say that they dont "hate" us, come back. .
O I know. If some other much larger country came through and killed members of my family in what they call a shock and aww tactic i wouldnt care. Then especially when the reason for bombing my land and invading it is because my leader wouldnt admit to and couldnt show some crazy man from texas our weapons that didnt exist. I know if every time i went to the store to buy crackers and water i had to walk past a soldier from the invading army who ate way more than crackers. then to try to tell me things are going well they show me an school they are building. well i am not a teacher or a student. schools dont feed people. schools have long term goals. i need a hospital. i need farm equipment. i need cattle. I need a job. I WOULD BLOW MY CHRISTIAN ASS UP TO KILL AN INVADING ARMY IN MY COUNTRY TOO. They arnt terrorist if they are shooting from their home and you came half way around the world and the 1st thing you did was bomb the sh1t out of them.
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Originally Posted by jmiester96
As for your comment about this country not being founded by God, you are completely wrong. Yes the people did come here because of there gov. trying to make them choose there religion, but they were all some sort of christian that beleived in God. None of them were muslim. .
so muslims get no say in america. awesome. we base our country on a man who brings people back to life and walks on water. You cant base a country or company on what boils down to your favorit fairy tale. you can use all your morals and if we did just use our morals and left out what god we believe in we would all realize we are pretty much the same.
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Originally Posted by jmiester96
Whats wrong with leaving the pledge of allegiance the way it is now? Is it really hurting anybody. If you or anybody else doesn't want to say God, then theres a simple solution for that. Dont say it. If you have a problem with the way America works and the words that are in the pledge of allegiance then you probably shouldn't be saying it anyway.
because what does god have to do with it? i mean really? would you miss it that much? will you go to hell if you leave it out? well to the kids that believe in all other forms of gods they are to be told that they should pledge to this god. O i know make 8 year olds feel like outsiders or different. Lets be honest most people over the age of 13 say the pledge once a decade. So this is really about kids who would believe that rabbits ruled the earth from 2000bc-1140 until we finally had lord vishkli come down and free us. i mean if we brought kids to a large room and told a new story about the bunny ruler every week and how lord vishkli helped us. No kid under the age of 13 will question his religion or the intelligence of a teacher/priest/parent so why confuse kids with one god at home and another at school.
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I dont think we should be in Iraq. We have no direct evidence or reason to be there. We thought they had weapons, and figured out that they dont have them, so taking the new evidence at hand we should admit we were wrong and leave.
Agreed forcing Iraq out of the hands of Sudaam and leading them to democracy seems like a noble ideal, but its costing too much money, and more importantly too many lives.
All these people from other countrys that are now "citizens" are complaining that "these are my people, they are not hurting anyone" thats a bunch of bull shyt. They would hurt anyone at the chance. Its better that we are in this now instead of waiting until something horrible happened again. Oh and another thing that gets me mad is whne people try to change everything away from God. This country was founded by God.
you're a moron. everything that you said there goes against every principle of how and why this country was founded.
i will answer your silly post with these words- this country is and has been a melting pot since it's early days. you're trying to say that these people are guilty before they even have the means to do anything? you must be from the south to say "This country was founded by God." i dont even know where to begin and if i did, i wouldn't know how to end it.
i dont know silverdevil but he does know his shyt. a lot more than you my friend. at least he doesnt have to ask for people to have his back.
oh yea, back to the topic. i give that joke a 7 out of 10. it made me chuckle.
Last edited by big20ugly : 12-30-2005 at 10:26 PM.
