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It's plain out greed. And it's sad. But it'll keep going until the system crashes...
and it will! rome crashed, the persian empire crashed, england crumbled. russia fell to its knees. what makes us think we are special. run it hard into the ground
Did you realize that by outsourcing jobs to other countries, less American's have jobs here? We are, in essence, outsourcing our standard of living. Sure, it's selfish of America to live the way it does while much of the rest of the world exists in squalor, but that's a seperate issue.
What businesses don't realize (because they don't have long term focus) is that every worker that gets outsourced can no longer spend his large salary on things HERE, and since the american market is so much larger than, say, the indian market, then companies are really only shooting themselves in the foot. The only thing that matters to a CEO is "How is the stock price, how did we do this quarter". There's no long term focus.
And if anything, I would never peg you as a cynic. I would consider you to be far more of an idealist or activist... IMO.
Summary: According to the election-year bluster of politicians and pundits, the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries has become a problem of epic proportion. Fortunately, this alarmism is misguided. Outsourcing actually brings far more benefits than costs, both now and in the long run. If its critics succeed in provoking a new wave of American protectionism, the consequences will be disastrous -- for the U.S. economy and for the American workers they claim to defend. My favorite quote:
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But believing that offshore outsourcing causes unemployment is the economic equivalent of believing that the sun revolves around the earth: intuitively compelling but clearly wrong.
Think about it: the more disposable income a Chinese engineer has to spend, the more likely it is that he or she will buy a new gadget from an American company or perhaps see Hollywood's "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow."
In short, almost any economist (with no political agenda) will tell you that outsourcing is a good way to spur any economy and that, even in the short term, America will benefit more from outsourcing thatn from keeping the jobs here in the U.S.
In short, almost any economist (with no political agenda) will tell you that outsourcing is a good way to spur any economy and that, even in the short term, America will benefit more from outsourcing thatn from keeping the jobs here in the U.S.
Sorry, but economists HAVE political agendas, just like the big businesses that support them.
I've heard the arguements, just because some guy sitting in an airconditioned office on the 50th floor in downtown manhattan says something, that doesn't mean anything to the people that really do run the assembly lines in rural Texarkana. A job is lost, a worker is unemployed, and an indian peasant who paid hundreds for his education gets preferred over an indian in the US that spend tens of thousands for his education.
Sorry, but economists HAVE political agendas, just like the big businesses that support them.
I've heard the arguements, just because some guy sitting in an airconditioned office on the 50th floor in downtown manhattan says something, that doesn't mean anything to the people that really do run the assembly lines in rural Texarkana. A job is lost, a worker is unemployed, and an indian peasant who paid hundreds for his education gets preferred over an indian in the US that spend tens of thousands for his education.
your logic is flawed there.
if u believe outsourcing is truely bad for the u.s people. imagine what the possibility are if you had to pay $30 for a wal mart tshirt or $200 for a pair of payless shoe.
Sorry, but economists HAVE political agendas, just like the big businesses that support them.
I've heard the arguements, just because some guy sitting in an airconditioned office on the 50th floor in downtown manhattan says something, that doesn't mean anything to the people that really do run the assembly lines in rural Texarkana. A job is lost, a worker is unemployed, and an indian peasant who paid hundreds for his education gets preferred over an indian in the US that spend tens of thousands for his education.
Yes, you have a point.
Imagine the guy in Texarcana has a manufacturing job that pays him $6.00 an hour ($240 a week, before taxes). Now, imagine that his weekly expenses (power, gas, gasoline, groceries, Internet bill, cable, water, electirc, etc) cost him $400 a week. Would it be worth it? I mean, I pay $1610 a month for rent, that's almost a month's worth of rent for me in Dc. You just have that kind of money>
As jobs go ovrerseas you have people here who have to deal with the people in India and teach them how to act. Not only that, if the people in india save the company money, they have that money to spend on hiring local people to do other jobs. Outsourcing procuces more high-paying jobs than keeping low-paying manufacturing and service-industry jobs here in America would anyhow.
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Originally Posted by Civicster
your logic is flawed there.
if u believe outsourcing is truely bad for the u.s people. imagine what the possibility are if you had to pay $30 for a wal mart tshirt or $200 for a pair of payless shoe.
the economy would balance out. if we outsourced which we are prices of items would drop. right now intel is outsourcing like crazy. my father goes to india or china about once a month. but what we need to realize is the guys in china and india arn't the same people they were in the 80's. surprising as it may be the guys in asia/india dont all live in dirt floor huts riding chariots with 30 kids on the back to the sweat shops. asia is the fastest growing market for pretty much everything. you see india made a decision in the 80's just as america did in the 50's to educate their youth.
anyways things here are about to get real bad quick. house prices are starting to fall in california where alot of dumb young families have been refinancing every 6 months. gas prices have shot up by 30% and now they know they can charge that amount and just make more money. and after gas has pretty much brought these people to the brink of cancelling their starz package. bam here comes the news that most credit card companys are doubling their minimum charges. which most people only pay the minimum charge. o and did i mention americans on average save(-)900 a month. we somehow spend 900 more than we make on average and hold 8k in credit card balances. outsourcing is our own doing. its simply another thing we are doing. its not nearly as bad as the idea of ataching your home to you checking account so you can refinance every day.
we arent living in the 60s no more.
the industry has changed and people need to educate themselves to keep up with the work force.
i aint gonna pay some guy $7 an hour to work in a sweat shop in the u.s while i can pay some illiterate kid/adult to work in the sweatshop over in some place i dont know.
face it america. the age of unskill labor arent gonna get you by in life anymore. if you want to flip burgers for the rest of your lives fine! but don't bitch about the rising cost of products.
the more you want to keep jobs in america, the less you're going to have.
and since we're on topic about job and employments.
look at labor union for the automotive industry.
they're doing half ass job and getting paid $$$$ + benefits. and they're gonna end up killing the u.s's auto industry.
no it wont. its so large the govt wont let it. they would give gm loans forever to prevent that many people from becoming unemployed. i mean who wants to be remembered as the president that drove americas automotive industry in to the ground. i mean look at the airlines they get bailed out yearly. atleast the large ones. the sad thing is when the feds bail em out they dont shake up mgmt. they just let the same people drive the same company in to the same ground.
no it wont. its so large the govt wont let it. they would give gm loans forever to prevent that many people from becoming unemployed. i mean who wants to be remembered as the president that drove americas automotive industry in to the ground. i mean look at the airlines they get bailed out yearly. atleast the large ones. the sad thing is when the feds bail em out they dont shake up mgmt. they just let the same people drive the same company in to the same ground.
the union is gonna kill gm.
gm will be like chrysler and become a foreign brand...
remember how the us gov bailed out chrysler.. and look what happened to them
and all these uneducated morons still believing in buying u.s.a products.. chrysler isn't usa no more.
and all these uneducated morons still believing in buying u.s.a products.. chrysler isn't usa no more.
Okay mr Anti-USA.
DaimlerChrysler is 49% Chrysler (USA), 51% Daimler (Germany). Pardon me for splitting hairs, but that doesn't mean it's not USA. It's not mostly USA, sure...
But American cars really aren't all that bad. Sure we own Hondas.... that doesn't mean that American made cars are the worst or even bad. So chill on your anti-americanism. We get enough of that from liberals.
DaimlerChrysler is 49% Chrysler (USA), 51% Daimler (Germany). Pardon me for splitting hairs, but that doesn't mean it's not USA. It's not mostly USA, sure...
But American cars really aren't all that bad. Sure we own Hondas.... that doesn't mean that American made cars are the worst or even bad. So chill on your anti-americanism. We get enough of that from liberals.
I agree with him to a point. I do believe that the union will eventually kill the U.S. auto industry. That, or they'll have to change the laws that govern them. GM and Ford will eventually declare bancrupcy and fire workers under a restructuring plan, just like the airlines did/are doing. Look at Delta, they just filed for Chapter 11 and are firing almost 7K people, about 20% of their workforce. NW is about to fire 1200 stewardesses (sorry, flight attendants) and is going to contract out (outsource) flights to Asia and the Pacific and no longer use their attendants.
The U.S. auto industry, heavily reliant on the SUV market, will soon see themselves in a big hole. Look at how GM lost billions of dollars in one quarter. The only thing that is keeping them semi-afloat is the employee pricing thing and that's about to end (it's non-sustainable).
DaimlerChrysler is 49% Chrysler (USA), 51% Daimler (Germany). Pardon me for splitting hairs, but that doesn't mean it's not USA. It's not mostly USA, sure...
But American cars really aren't all that bad. Sure we own Hondas.... that doesn't mean that American made cars are the worst or even bad. So chill on your anti-americanism. We get enough of that from liberals.
im not anti america. im anti selfish unionized blue collar workers who find themselves losing jobs because the market and economy is changing and they're bitching because they drop out of high school and can't find work because all of the manufacturing jobs are being outsourced.
chrysler maybe 49% in ownership. but 49% is not greater than 50%(50%+ basically make all the callingshot).
gm is in a serious deep hole right now. they're losing $$$ every year for the past few years.
correction, all american auto makers are in the hole. while they offer 'employee' bullshit, the imports are taking over with the better gas mileage part as the big role. gm won't die cause they are the biggest car company on earth, they have 200 countries they work in. its nuts ok. i say ford will go first. or at least i hope they go cause i hate them. but i have to say, gm needs to re-structure its whole platform and drop the crap, like oldsmobile and hummer. and GMC, they already have all that crap in chevy models.
correction, all american auto makers are in the hole. while they offer 'employee' bullshit, the imports are taking over with the better gas mileage part as the big role. gm won't die cause they are the biggest car company on earth, they have 200 countries they work in. its nuts ok. i say ford will go first. or at least i hope they go cause i hate them. but i have to say, gm needs to re-structure its whole platform and drop the crap, like oldsmobile and hummer. and GMC, they already have all that crap in chevy models.
that you are wrong. gm may be the largest auto manufacturer.
but they have bad management. and when shareholders lost faith. the company can mean nothing if they start dumping the stocks.
ford is well better off than gm does. ford is not losing $$$ on every quarter for the past 3 quarters like gm does.
