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Guess what folks? It's EVERYONE'S wages that get affected. Sure, immigration system needs to be reworked a bit to allow cheap labor to come across the border, legally and seasonally. What we don't need are the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of illegal immigrants that are bogging down our Prison system... Millions upon millions of dollars lost there. You hear alot about the wonderful labor, what about the drug dealers and thugs in East Los Angeles? You don't hear about them. Wonderful things they are doing for our economy!
How about the ones that come across the border and end up having kids and going on welfare? You think they are helping the US? Nope, not them either.
How about the illegals that come across the border, and they aren't hispanic? Oh yeah, didn't you know that hundreds of thousands of immigrants from eastern europe, the middle east, africa, etc come across the border? What a wonderful way to sneak weapons into the country! Bombs, diseases, drugs, guns... nobody cares about this though.
I wonder, I really do wonder, if the ultimate goal of the Liberals is to bring the country down completely. That's exactly what they are aiming for. I don't know if they want communism or what, but they completely advocate everything that is the worst for this country, and the people that live in it.....
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How about the illegals that come across the border, and they aren't hispanic? Oh yeah, didn't you know that hundreds of thousands of immigrants from eastern europe, the middle east, africa, etc come across the border? What a wonderful way to sneak weapons into the country! Bombs, diseases, drugs, guns... nobody cares about this though.
I wonder, I really do wonder, if the ultimate goal of the Liberals is to bring the country down completely. That's exactly what they are aiming for. I don't know if they want communism or what, but they completely advocate everything that is the worst for this country, and the people that live in it.....
Now you're taking it a bit too far. You act as if being a liberal was a bad thing. Here, I'll give you a few names and you tell me if you dont' agree with their ideologies: Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcom X, Frederick Douglas, Mark Twain, etc. All these people were considered liberals in their time. You know what, if not for them we'd still be in the middle ages. Liberals make the changes that conservatives cling to years and years down the road. Being a liberal is the only way to change the world because, by definition, conservatives would rather change nothing.
Also, being a liberal has nothing to do with Communism. Communism is an economic system with close ties to a way of government. In a Marxist society, you could even have elections so there can be a Democratic-Communist state if you really wanted there to be one. People make the mistake of thinking that the opposite of Communism is Democracy; it's not. The opposite of Communism is Capitalism.
Anywho, back to the topic:
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Originally Posted by streetglower
Now I shouldnt have to strive to learn another language. Most of america speaks english. This isnt a spanish speaking country. Why should I have to try and learn 10 other languages when they can come over here and learn 1? When anyone from another country comes here, all they need to learn is english and there set. But I shouldnt have to try and learn spanish, chineese, japeneese, italian, french, etc... just to live. And just to get a job. Most jobs here now require you to be bilingual. thats bullshit. hardly anyone here speaks spanish, except hispanics and people from various foreign countries, and there are some white people who did learn it. I bet if you went to china, or japan, or asia, they wouldnt have jobs that say "must speak english". Because most everyone over in those countries speak asian, chineese or japaneese.
Now I could care less who lives here, as long as you are here legally. The illegal immigration is a big issue here because if effects the economy. I am not racist or anything, and I have several friends that moved here from other countries, but they came here legally and learned to speak english to get by here. And most of them feel the same way, if you come to america, you need to abide by america laws.
Now just like pharoh said, houston used to be a nice place, but now it has turned to shit. I dont like being in houston because of the bad pollution we have, and because most of the city is run down by illegals. Everywhere you go is crappy. Now once you get outside the city, there are nice areas, but the city sucks.
Most of the problems you mention (having to learn spanish to get a job, spanish-speakers taking your job) wouldn't be solved if those people were legal. If all these people immigrated legally you would still have the same problem. They are willing to take the low paying, starting jobs to build up from the bottom. Most have a 6th grade education at best. The jobs they take are jobs that most people don't want, anyway. Yes, they take the jobs at McD's, Home Depot, and other minimum wage jobs. Is that what you really strive to do for the rest of your life? Most people with a college education don't have to worry about those jobs.
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
These illegal immigrants are taking the jobs of hardworking Americans who are trying to make a decent living.
All we need to do is start cracking down and make the punishment more harsh to set example. I would have no problem with military picking off a few of them as they cross the border. Screw them...if they wanna come to America for a chance at a decent living, then do it the legal way.
You are an extremist. What jobs are illegals taking that hard-working Americans really want? Please, name 3 jobs where this is happening.
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Originally Posted by modoman
well, we are not all citizens of the same countries. there are these things called borders. when america was open to mass immigration, we let everyone we could in. nowadays, the borders are not open, but you can emigrate and come here if you follow the legal process. just because they live just south of us means its ok to just pour into our country andsteal from us? thats what theyre doing when they snipe our jobs by providing super cheap labor, AND without paying taxes.
we are not all free to roam the earth and settle where it is most convenient for us. it was thousands of years ago, but that died with the invention of the wall. in your opinion we should all roam the earth free of restrictions as to where we call home... well we can, usually, if we follow the steps according to how that country wants. those policies are in place for a reason... how about some criminals immigrating here? terrorists?
i agree that all humans should be treated as equals, of course! and in a perfect world there would be no borders, and everyone would be courteous, law-abiding, role-model citizens.
Again, what job are they sniping? What are they stealing from you?
And, yes, IMO we should all be free to roam the Earth and live where we best see fit. The terms criminal and terrorist are open-ended and depend on what side of the ideals you are on. To Britain, Washington and Franklyn were terrorists and where committing high treason; if any one of them where caught they would've been hanged for it. Freedom-fighter is another word for terrorist, but one for the terrorists whom you support. The same applies to criminal. A criminal could be a person who bad-mouths Hugo Chaves, for instance. How many people are in jail in Venezuela for speaking ill of the governments actions? In short, I have no problem with criminals and terrorists coming into this country or any other country.
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Originally Posted by C2i0v0i1C
somewhere i read that in one state the voting ballot had two languages on it, ENG and SPAN. that is just wrong. regardless of the facts its illegal but who is going to stop it, marijuana is illegal but its sold everyday somewhere. my opinion is we shall not cater to them. and making ballots with multi languages on it is the start.
dont some states have like primary languages of spanish wtf is that all about, i may be wrong, but then again im not going searching for it. if its true the only reason why, is bc the immigrant infestation has exceeded the nonim population
So what are you worried about? The ballow would have English on it as well, I presume, so you could read it. So what if they want to make it easier for LEGAL immigrants to vote. They do have that right, you know, even if they don't dominate the language yet. Illegals can't vote so the language changes are not meant for them.
What most of you are saying is that you don't believe in the greater good and you would rather be selfish than help your fellow humans out. To not allow a person to come and go as they please because it might affect you in some way is a selfish attitude. To get mad because someone takes a job that you wouldn't work to begin with is a selfish attitude. My attitude is that I need to be the best I can be to qualify for what I want to do. If I'm not the best then I need to work harder. If I work as hard as I can and still can't achieve it then I need to look elsewhere because that is not the job/career for me.
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Again, what job are they sniping? What are they stealing from you?
And, yes, IMO we should all be free to roam the Earth and live where we best see fit. The terms criminal and terrorist are open-ended and depend on what side of the ideals you are on. To Britain, Washington and Franklyn were terrorists and where committing high treason; if any one of them where caught they would've been hanged for it. Freedom-fighter is another word for terrorist, but one for the terrorists whom you support. The same applies to criminal. A criminal could be a person who bad-mouths Hugo Chaves, for instance. How many people are in jail in Venezuela for speaking ill of the governments actions? In short, I have no problem with criminals and terrorists coming into this country or any other country.
well lets take a moment to evaluate the job situation. since you dont live around here, you dont quite understand.
-first, ill make the point that yes, they provide labor at a much lower cost thereby somewhat helping lower costs of food, homes, landscaping, etc. but, the prices have not gone down that much, as most companies realize that they can keep the high prices and raise their profit margin.
construction and day labor jobs - almost all roofing companies around here use illegals. if you dont believe that, i know from experience. they will disappear after about 5 months, and their friends would tell me they went back to mexico... they would give me sly grins when they would show me the cars they bought, while not having insurance or a license.
food industry - smaller places, usually locally owned. worked at a chinese restaurant in high school. all the cooks were illegal.
landscaping - the landscaping companies around here are like wal-marts. the fair companies will high legal workers (a crew of about 4-5 people) and do what they can each day with that #. the "wal-mart" crews will hire illegals and pay them "under the table", if you will, and have multiple crews of 4-5 people for the same cost in labor as the fair companies 1 crew. its hard to be successful around here in landscaping without the use of illegals, who for waaaay under minimum wage rates.
moving on, i assumed you would understand what i meant when i referred to criminals and terrorists. criminals, OBVIOUSLY, being people convicted of crimes or have committed pretty dangerous crimes. while technically a weed dealer could be called a criminal, it is easy to see that, from the context, i am referring to the dangerous criminals. ie murderers, sex offenders, thieves etc.
and by terrorists, i am referring to those wishing to kill innocent people to wreak chaos to a region. i mean seriously, do NOT patronize me or be a smart ass. its quite simple to understand from the context the specific group of people i am referring to.
lastly, are you on an ecstasy/absynth cocktail?!?!? youre telling me you would be fine with terrorists coming to our country setting off car bombs, suicide bombers, and cutting peoples' heads off with a knife??!?! im not getting into the politcal side of this, but youve got to be cranked up, straight senial/naive, or a terrorist yourself to be ok with this.
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Originally Posted by ledbelly
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illegal immigration is a major problem here. Like posted above, all resturaunts here mostly will only hire illegas because they can pay them whatever they want and they wont say anything.
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just got pulled over the other day for having JDM yellow headlights, the cop told me it was illegal to have yellow lights, only white, any comments on this. i was just sittin in my slab with trunk poppin and my candy paint drippin off my doors.
well lets take a moment to evaluate the job situation. since you dont live around here, you dont quite understand.
-first, ill make the point that yes, they provide labor at a much lower cost thereby somewhat helping lower costs of food, homes, landscaping, etc. but, the prices have not gone down that much, as most companies realize that they can keep the high prices and raise their profit margin.
construction and day labor jobs - almost all roofing companies around here use illegals. if you dont believe that, i know from experience. they will disappear after about 5 months, and their friends would tell me they went back to mexico... they would give me sly grins when they would show me the cars they bought, while not having insurance or a license.
food industry - smaller places, usually locally owned. worked at a chinese restaurant in high school. all the cooks were illegal.
landscaping - the landscaping companies around here are like wal-marts. the fair companies will high legal workers (a crew of about 4-5 people) and do what they can each day with that #. the "wal-mart" crews will hire illegals and pay them "under the table", if you will, and have multiple crews of 4-5 people for the same cost in labor as the fair companies 1 crew. its hard to be successful around here in landscaping without the use of illegals, who for waaaay under minimum wage rates.
moving on, i assumed you would understand what i meant when i referred to criminals and terrorists. criminals, OBVIOUSLY, being people convicted of crimes or have committed pretty dangerous crimes. while technically a weed dealer could be called a criminal, it is easy to see that, from the context, i am referring to the dangerous criminals. ie murderers, sex offenders, thieves etc.
and by terrorists, i am referring to those wishing to kill innocent people to wreak chaos to a region. i mean seriously, do NOT patronize me or be a smart ass. its quite simple to understand from the context the specific group of people i am referring to.
lastly, are you on an ecstasy/absynth cocktail?!?!? youre telling me you would be fine with terrorists coming to our country setting off car bombs, suicide bombers, and cutting peoples' heads off with a knife??!?! im not getting into the politcal side of this, but youve got to be cranked up, straight senial/naive, or a terrorist yourself to be ok with this.
Yes, illegals do provide low-cost labor for many. However, take a look at my motto: Equality is an advantage to no man. If one company is able to hire illegals then the others are able to do the same thing. I know we don't want to encourage an illegal workers race but my point is still valid: all have the same job pool to hire from.
Most of those jobs (construction, landscaping, Wal-mart warehouses) are jobs that Americans look down their nose at. I can honestly say that I don't know anyone who would drop their welfare check to go work any of these jobs. They are too lazy to leave the comfort of their couch to go work hard labor. I know what I'm talking about on this subject. Americans have become too snobbish to work these jobs.
As for the criminal situation, I don't care what you did in your country as the socio-economic differences are blatantly obvious. The conditions left behind are much worse than those here so these people are less likely to commit crimes here as opposed to whence they came. Terrorists, on the other hand, don't need to be let in as they sneak in anyway. Having an open border won't let any more terrorists in than are already getting in. If someone hates this country enough they will find a way.
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
Construction........there are so many illegal immigrants that take on construction jobs for low wages.
Two years ago......a wal-mart warehouse near me got busted with over 100 illegal immigrants working there.
A few years back, a mailing corp in my area got busted with illegal immigrants working there.
The key word there was really. Which of these jobs do Americans really wish to do? I'd rather sit at home and collect welfare and unemployment (or any other government aid) than go break my back in a landscaping job.
I paid my way through college with loans, grants, and other financial aid. I've paid it all back with interest. Other Americans have the same advantage I had: that of being able to apply for these financial aids to be able to qualify for better jobs. They don't even take advantage of those opportunities and would rather smoke weed, hang out, and complain about how many jobs the illegals are taking that they, themselves, wouldn't even want to work.
Vicente Fox got it right (and Louis Farrakhan agreed) when he said, "mexican immigrants take jobs that not even the blacks want to take." By black he meant the poor people, BTW, as most poor people tend to be black. I tend to agree with him if you substitute the word black for poor.
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The key word there was really. Which of these jobs do Americans really wish to do? I'd rather sit at home and collect welfare and unemployment (or any other government aid) than go break my back in a landscaping job.
I paid my way through college with loans, grants, and other financial aid. I've paid it all back with interest. Other Americans have the same advantage I had: that of being able to apply for these financial aids to be able to qualify for better jobs. They don't even take advantage of those opportunities and would rather smoke weed, hang out, and complain about how many jobs the illegals are taking that they, themselves, wouldn't even want to work.
I have a college education, i work in the construction business. I work 6 days a week and around 50hrs each week. I enjoy what i am doing and couldn't see myself doing anything else. If i am not working....i might as well be dead cuz i consider myself worthless. That is how i was raised......my whole family are workers.
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Yes, illegals do provide low-cost labor for many. However, take a look at my motto: Equality is an advantage to no man. If one company is able to hire illegals then the others are able to do the same thing. I know we don't want to encourage an illegal workers race but my point is still valid: all have the same job pool to hire from.
Most of those jobs (construction, landscaping, Wal-mart warehouses) are jobs that Americans look down their nose at. I can honestly say that I don't know anyone who would drop their welfare check to go work any of these jobs. They are too lazy to leave the comfort of their couch to go work hard labor. I know what I'm talking about on this subject. Americans have become too snobbish to work these jobs.
i understand and am aware of this snobbish attitude held by the general public, but it is mostly conveyed in subliminal messages throughout society. for example, if you dont have a fabulous, well-paying and rewarding job then you are nothing. if you cant afford this, or your hands are rough and your skin is dry and calloused, then you are not beautiful and should be kept in the shadows. However, i know several people that worked construction but were unable to pursue it any further as the wages decreased due to illegal workers.
some people are legitimate and hold values above dollar signs, and choose to hire legal workers because it is the right thing to do. just because there are other alternatives does not mean its ok or should be accepted. some people prefer to run a fair and fully equal company, and fully equal does not mean hiring illegal immigrants because they are cheap labor. that is unfair to both americans AND illegal aliens.
and so you say that because there are illegal immigrants out there to hire, companies should hire them to cut costs?!? thats the worst idea. thats like saying, well if sweatshops can work, then companies have the option and should use them because it makes total sense. its a double-edged sword my friend. you hire illegals, you rob rightful citizens of a job, and the illegals get out without paying taxes. on the edge of the illegals, they work for less money than they could get if they were legitimate workers, as well as hurting them when it comes to what they have to go through, which sometimes goes well astray of national policies towards a healthy work environment.
there is NO good in lettin illegal immigrants in this country and tolerating it. although it has to be accepted because there are so many here and getting away with it, it does not mean that its right. it is exactly like strangers barging into your home and living there, leeching your water, food, income etc.
answer me this, would you tolerate a stranger settling into YOUR home silver? would you honestly accept this totally random stranger into your home because your home is better than his?
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Originally Posted by ledbelly
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you are the problem like most people in this country, silver. i mean when it comes to physical labor. fat fvcking lazy bastards in this country has encouraged this illegal migration. i do manual labor every day, and it does not kill me. it in fact makes me appreciate my money so much more than some crappy office job. this country was built on strenuous physical labor, and it just figures that you WOULD rather sit on your lazy ass and collect welfare than to go get a job where you might break a sweat. these jobs arent crap jobs, and they used to be able to support american families: that is, until illegal workers flooded the market. nobody LOVES physical labor, but just because you use your muscles and sweat to work doesnt mean its a crap job.
physical labor doesnt kill you, and i understand its not for everyone. but just because you wouldnt be caught dead doing hard physical labor doesnt mean other people who are citizens wouldnt do it.
and these arent jobs that nobody wants. thats the lamest excuse for supporting this infestation. the jobs nobody wants are cleaning toilets and jerk-off booths. nobody likes dipping fries in grease and flipping burgers. despite this, these jobs are done by someone. why? because people will do what they have to to support themselves and others.
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Originally Posted by ledbelly
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Yes, illegals do provide low-cost labor for many. However, take a look at my motto: Equality is an advantage to no man. If one company is able to hire illegals then the others are able to do the same thing. I know we don't want to encourage an illegal workers race but my point is still valid: all have the same job pool to hire from.
This will encourage more illegals to jump the border. They will take more jobs from Americans thus increasing the unemployment.
Another thing you are forgetting about. What about all of the ppl getting injured or killed while crossing the border. Just last year in my area, a bunch of illegal immigrants died because they were hiding out in a tractor trailer during the summer and they died from heat exhaustion.
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Originally Posted by silverdevil
Most of those jobs (construction, landscaping, Wal-mart warehouses) are jobs that Americans look down their nose at. I can honestly say that I don't know anyone who would drop their welfare check to go work any of these jobs. They are too lazy to leave the comfort of their couch to go work hard labor. I know what I'm talking about on this subject. Americans have become too snobbish to work these jobs.
You better think about what you are saying. Not all Americans are lazy. Most americans are not. You gotta stop hanging around lazy people. I know alot of ppl and very few of them are lazy.
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I know a place in TX that was hiring illegal's to work for them. When they found out that 2 of them were bangin a customers 15 yr old daughter (with her consent) they fired them both, sent them back to Mexico....next day, two more showed up.
I wonder how much money is made off the underground?
I have a college education, i work in the construction business. I work 6 days a week and around 50hrs each week. I enjoy what i am doing and couldn't see myself doing anything else. If i am not working....i might as well be dead cuz i consider myself worthless. That is how i was raised......my whole family are workers.
You or your family owns the business, right? That is different than someone who just walks up and needs a job. I know what you mean because I'm the type of person who always works and I don't feel right on long weekends. I'm a hard-working individual and, thanks to my strong mentality, I've been able to pull myself up from the ranks of poverty. I grew up in a family that was rich and lost it's wealth when I was less than 1 year old. I was raised in poor neighborhoods because that's all my father could afford. Yes, I grew up as a little hoodlem (I robbed people, broke into houses and cars, etc) but I saw the light. I decided I needed an education to better myself and earn what I got instead of taking it.
I respect your worker mentality. But my assessment still stands: most Americans I know are lazy. By most I mean a 50-60% of the population.
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Originally Posted by modoman
However, i know several people that worked construction but were unable to pursue it any further as the wages decreased due to illegal workers.
and so you say that because there are illegal immigrants out there to hire, companies should hire them to cut costs?!? thats the worst idea. thats like saying, well if sweatshops can work, then companies have the option and should use them because it makes total sense. its a double-edged sword my friend. you hire illegals, you rob rightful citizens of a job, and the illegals get out without paying taxes. on the edge of the illegals, they work for less money than they could get if they were legitimate workers, as well as hurting them when it comes to what they have to go through, which sometimes goes well astray of national policies towards a healthy work environment.
there is NO good in lettin illegal immigrants in this country and tolerating it. although it has to be accepted because there are so many here and getting away with it, it does not mean that its right. it is exactly like strangers barging into your home and living there, leeching your water, food, income etc.
answer me this, would you tolerate a stranger settling into YOUR home silver? would you honestly accept this totally random stranger into your home because your home is better than his?
Firstly, those jobs that illegals take are jobs the minority of Americans are willing to do. The janitors, landscapers, and produce-pickers, for example. That there are people willing to do these jobs, I'll agree, but they are the minority.
Now, I never said that companies *should* hire illegal workers or use sweatshops. I said the pool of workers is there for all to use. Yes, some companies have higher ethics standards than others and thusly choose not to use illegals or child labor. This is my belief: companies have an obligation to their shareholders to produce the highest possible profits. It is the role of the government to ensure that these companies do not stray from the line of the law, tho. So, if Company A wants to go to Thailand and employ 10-year olds to manufacture their T-shirts (and it is not illegal in Thailand to do so) then that is their prerogative and actually should do this as an obligation to their shareholders and their customers (as it keeps costs low for them and the company while increasiing sales and profits). That is my position. Some ppl would rather they hired Americans and manufactured here; I'm not of that position because it raises cunsumer costs, therefore raising the consumer price index, therefore raising inflation, therefore lowering the value of the dollar...and so on (basic economics).
Now, on the house-guest thing, I would not allow that. I believe in personal property (i.e. your house, your car, your T.V. set) but I also believe in public good (i.e. whatever doesn't use private property). If these ppl want to settle in public lands I would have no problem with it (I'm sure the government would, but that's for them to decide).
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
This will encourage more illegals to jump the border. They will take more jobs from Americans thus increasing the unemployment.
Another thing you are forgetting about. What about all of the ppl getting injured or killed while crossing the border. Just last year in my area, a bunch of illegal immigrants died because they were hiding out in a tractor trailer during the summer and they died from heat exhaustion.
You better think about what you are saying. Not all Americans are lazy. Most americans are not. You gotta stop hanging around lazy people. I know alot of ppl and very few of them are lazy.
The jobs illegals will take from Americans are the low-end jobs. We should strive to achieve better jobs for ourselves and this is done through education. We all have the opportunity to go to school for free and then have the opportunity to go to college. The choices people make are what lead them to not take advantage of these situations. I surely took advantage of them.
Those ppl getting injured or killed while crossing know the danger before the set out. I don't feel sorry for a rock climber who falls and breaks his neck; I don't feel sorry for a skydiver whose parachute gets tangled; I don't feel sorry for a racecar driver who dies in an auto accident. Why? Because they knew the dangers of the activities they engaged in prior to engaging in them. They accepted the risk and are accountable only to themselves for these mishaps. I don't like it and I really wish this didn't happen, but I don't feel bad for them.
Again, I can only speak from my experience. Based on this, a majority of Americans are lazy.
Listen, I was a mechanic for four years. I broke my back every day humping up and down a flight line working on jets, carying heavy-ass tool boxes from one to the other, moving heavy equipment, spending hours on my knees inside the engine bay, etc. I was sore every day when I got home. But it was something I was proud to do. When it rained I got wet. When it snowed I was cold. When it was windy I had windburn. Hazzards of the job my friend. Eventually I finished school and started working in my current profession: IT. I still do manual labor (carrying and moving servers, racks, and workstations) but it's not as intense. I'm not the type of IT worker who just sits behind a computer all day. I need to do things with my hands and move around. Not everyone is like me, tho.
I just don't buy the whole "they're taking our jobs" argument. If you stand there and tell me that you don't like it because they bring in diseases, I can respect that. If you tell me you don't like it because they increase criminal activity (which I don't particularly believe, but O.K.), I can respect that, too. But don't sit there and spout off rhetoric about how they are taking the jobs Americans should be doing because, in my experience, they (Americans) don't want to do the majority of them in the majority of the cases, anyway.
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I know illegal immigrants pay taxes but they don't get the benefits that Americans get like SS, which will be gone soon anyway, but thats a different story. I'd rather be spending someone elses money than my own if I had the chance!
The only thing wrong with illegals is the fact that you can't keep track of them. There is no way of knowing where they are, who they are, and a lot of other stuff.
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I know illegal immigrants pay taxes but they don't get the benefits that Americans get like SS, which will be gone soon anyway, but thats a different story. I'd rather be spending someone elses money than my own if I had the chance!
The only thing wrong with illegals is the fact that you can't keep track of them. There is no way of knowing where they are, who they are, and a lot of other stuff.
Well, you're only partly right. When people say that illegals don't pay taxes they are refereing to income taxes paid to the IRS and to the state. That is true since they don't have a green card number or a SSN. However, to say they don't pay taxes is a false statement. They do pay taxes, and quite a few of them. They pay taxes when they buy gas, beer, cigarettes, coke, and diappers. They pay every consumer tax we pay as legal citizens. They just get to keep more of the money they earn at work from the fed and state governments.
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of course they pay taxes on goods and things that are tallied in the cost of the good or service at the time of purchase.
and another good point by mr civicsrdbest is that they cant be traced. now im for tracking peoples identities and whereabouts to a certain extent, and being able to see an id and be able to see someones record and know their address, place of birth etc is very important. just by watching real-life crime stories on tv, such as the first 48, ive seen many incidents where the perpetrator escaped and that was that, as the guy went back to mexico and was here illegaly. nothing can be done.
ive pretty much said all i can say without being too redundant so thats about it.
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