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Old 07-12-2004   #31 (permalink)
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.. Stock allows you to change the front bar only. Lucky you.

and LSDs arnt legal for STS (Only Stock Viscous Coupling ones are), Youd Have to run STX or STU



13.7 Anti Roll (Sway) Bars

Front anti-roll (sway) bars:

Substitution, addition or removal of any front anti-roll bars is permitted.
Substitution, addition or removal of anti-roll bars may serve no other purpose than that of an anti-roll bar.
The use of any bushing material is permitted.
No modification to the body, frame or other components to accommodate anti-roll bar addition or substitution is allowed, except for the drilling of holes for mounting bolts. Non-standard lateral members which connect between the brackets for the bar are not permitted.

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May not be removed, replaced, or modified in any way.
You rock dude...thanks.

Only thing is...the Civic Type-R (My car but not in the states) HAS a LSD....OEM...STANDARD! So...in theory...it could be considered OEM...for my "chassis" right?
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^^ not really, The car isnt currently sold in the US, so the parts on it can't be considered OEM.

If you did put an LSD in there, you'd go instantly to either SM, STX, or Street prepaired....
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^^ not really, The car isnt currently sold in the US, so the parts on it can't be considered OEM.

If you did put an LSD in there, you'd go instantly to either SM, STX, or Street prepaired....

Damn...oh well....I suppose it's a good thing I can't afford one!
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while we are on this subject, say i have a RSX rear sway, 19mm, on my EP3. it comes with a 17mm. when i/they designate my car to a class, would they be able to tell if its not "OEM", i mean, they cant know EVERY thing about EVERy car that goes in there. i mean, since its plain black, like oem (as opposed to painted red or something, with a brand decal on it), itll look stock, and it really didnt help me that much after i put it on. so it wont be blatantly obvious that i have it on there. also, say they find you violated class rules, what are the consequences? make your times void? keep your times but list them with the class you now fall into? what?

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THey dont designate any thing. Its up to you and your compeditors to determin if your car is legal for a particular class. Its your choice what class you run, You'd be cheating, but you could run any class you want.
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while we are on this subject, say i have a RSX rear sway, 19mm, on my EP3. it comes with a 17mm. when i/they designate my car to a class, would they be able to tell if its not "OEM", i mean, they cant know EVERY thing about EVERy car that goes in there. i mean, since its plain black, like oem (as opposed to painted red or something, with a brand decal on it), itll look stock, and it really didnt help me that much after i put it on. so it wont be blatantly obvious that i have it on there. also, say they find you violated class rules, what are the consequences? make your times void? keep your times but list them with the class you now fall into? what?

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Well.....yes and no.

You're right...they probably WON'T know if it's an aftermarket sway bar.

HOWEVER...Solo2 runs on "the honor system" kinda. We all work our shifts on course with out bitching, because we race and hope others do the same for us while we're driving. If people start lying about what parts they have/don't have, effectively CHEATING, then it kinda diminishes the pride of the sport. We're all week-end-warriors...not out for fame or glory....we just like to race and have it as fair as it can possibly be.

As far as consequences......to the best of my knowledge...nobody's ever been "busted" here in CO for "cheating"....so I have no idea what they would be.


But in my own opinion bro...don't do it. Just run STS like the rest of us....lose like the rest of us...and keep it HONORABLE. Cheating is NOT cool bro...
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Ok...something new just happened tonight...and I think it's beneficial for me.


Here's the story...

I know a guy that road/AutoX races his STX prepped RSX-S.

H recently went to a new suspension set-up (full coilovers I think) and is now selling his GC coils, Koni Yellow's, and camber kit(s).

For Sale:

Koni Yellow's (Installed on DC5 strut housings)
GC Slip Coilovers (3 sets)
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2 x 500 lb/in springs
2 x 600 lb/in springs
2 x 800 lb/in springs
Front and rear sleeves (threaded perches)
Front camber plates
Ingalls F&R Camber Kit (Free)


All of the above for $500.00 and he helps with the install. (Not a big deal, I've done this install 4 times now )

NOW....

My questions are:

1) Will the DC5 Koni/strut housings FIT my EP3 ???? (In theory the DC5 Koni's will have better valving than those for the Civic...?)
2) I KNOW 800 in/lb springs are a bit TOO much for the rear, but would the 600 springs work in the rear? with the 500's up front? (I'm not worried about ride quality...I want STIFF. After the Neuspeed's on the EM2...these should be VERY nice.)
3) From the pics provided...what do ya think? Good or not?


Whole set-up for sale

Rear Camber Kit

Rear Struts

Camber Plates

Front Struts


Yes...they're dirty. But they're only about a year old...so whatcha think?
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Well.... The Ground Control Camber plates are worth about $400 alone (New).....


I'd jump all over that just to scavange the parts (Assuming they arn't a direct bolt in)

Each pair of springs run about $50
the Collars fro the Ground control are worth about $200
the konis run $550+ (and you could probably sell them to an RSX owner if they didnt fit).

your looking at easily $1000 in parts just sitting there.
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That seems like a good deal, but those aren't true camber plates. They are just slotted upper mounts. You can get slightly more camber out of them, but not much.

I would be all over it. Run the 500 and the 600lbs. I would think they would fit. You might run into problems with the strut mounts. I don't know if they are the same bolt size. They should be 16mm bolts, but who knows.
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They should be close. If they arnt, you can always sell what doesnt fit for a profit.
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Yeah...as soon as I said something about wanting them for my EP3.....like 5 other people said they now wanted them....

DAMNIT !!

I prolly won't be able to come up with the money in time to get them....

Ah well....thanks for the input guys!
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But in my own opinion bro...don't do it. Just run STS like the rest of us....lose like the rest of us...and keep it HONORABLE. Cheating is NOT cool bro...
I understand what you're saying, on the other hand, i dont even know its there, i felt no difference whatsoever.

anyway, anyone ever run GS then switch to STS?

how big of a diffenece in skill is there between the two. i know that everywhere is different cause no two drivers are the same, but im sure skill levels among competitors is similar across the country
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I understand what you're saying, on the other hand, i dont even know its there, i felt no difference whatsoever.

anyway, anyone ever run GS then switch to STS?

how big of a diffenece in skill is there between the two. i know that everywhere is different cause no two drivers are the same, but im sure skill levels among competitors is similar across the country

It doesn't matter what you "FEEL", cause what you don't feel...I might. Ya kno?

It only matters what you HAVE. "Feel", "Skill level", and "Expierence" are all variables that are just about in-calculable (sp?). That's why we put our CARS into classes...not the drivers.
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maybe ill break down and go to the honda dealer and get some new endlinks for my rear sway bar and put the stock one back on. they got fu*ked during the install of my RSX bar. anyone else have that problem. the allen wrench just ate through those endlinks. and it only had about 11000 miles on it (read minimal rust/corrosion/dirt)
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also, anyone ever run GS and then go to STS? big difference in competition level?

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